Anything can be posted here! We'll talk about politics, some sports (football, basketball, & tennis), Movies, & TV! Posts framed w/ "***" are from other contribs. ( Closed - 100 posts )Current News: - Djokovic wins 8th AO! All sports events on hold due to Covid-19! ;-)
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***Nadal can't be the GOAT w/o dominating the whole season like his 2 contemporaries Djokovic & Federer did. Only if he wins a ridicolous # of Slams we could forget about this big flaw.***
ReplyDeleteEven as formidable as Nadal's supposed t/b, he has tons of holes in his resume! No YEC's or Miami Masters, just the 1 AO, & it took until this season to defend a title off clay! It's hard for me to ever think of him as the GOAT when we compare the recs of Nole & Roger to his! They've done so much more! The only thing Nadal's been consistent in is on the dirt & owning Paris! That's great, but still limited! Roger & Nole have a much more balanced career; esp. Nole who's taken over their H2H matches the last sev. yrs! It seems like Nadal's only haven is on clay! Djokovic doesn't have to shy away from any surface or challenge & has proved his mantle in taking over eventually from Fedal!
***...Nadal gets to the latter stages of those tournaments < often, what's < talked about is that it's also b/c Federer/Djokovic are < consistent on HC/Grass than Nadal is on clay. Nadal has been to the final of AO, Wimbl., & USO 5x each. Where were Djokovic/Federer then? Well they were there some of the X, but not enough to correct the imbalance.***
Excuse me? The main prob. w/ Nole @ X's is his consistency & getting to finals again & again; esp. in Majors! HELLO? I don't understand why you = made that statement about Fed & Nole not being consistent enough! What rec. are you looking @? Both have even made the FO final multiple X's! You goofing me I guess b/c you can't be any> wrong; esp. about Nole! He's prob. been the most vulnerable in major finals making so many & being taken out by not only Fedal early on, he had to contend w/ Sir Andy & Stanimal! I'll take Nole's rec. though since he has so much X to improve it! He's doing great for someone who came along yrs after Fed, surpassing many of his recs! Come on!
***...It's like if I argued Nadal is >er than Federer b/c he's >er on HC/Clay. Nadal has 17 slams on HC/Clay & Fed only 12. Nadal > Fed.***
Each owns a slam; Nadal > so w/ the FO, but Federer & Nole are neck & neck @ the AO with Dokovic up by one! Roger has serious streaks in the 2 top majors that neither Rafa or Nole will ever match = if they leap past him in the next yr. or so! Five str. Wimbl. & USO is something > you'd see in the past in the pre-Open era! This is why he's the GOAT @ this X! He owned the tour > so than Nadal will ever, but Nole's challenging that!
***Djokovic results-wise is behind Fed in almost every metric. What I find impressive about Fed is that he has 3 yrs winning 3+ slams, & 6 yrs winning 2+ slams. I put that above YE #1 or wks @ #1.***
Almost is the key word & being on the tour 5+ yrs >, but = w/ that, Nole's passed Fed in Masters by a lot already! Being able to beat Nadal in those clay finals helped put him ahead of Roger for good!
***Wins over other Big 3 when they were defending champs or became champs in the following edition:
DJOKOVIC
vs Fed AO '08 (def champ)
vs Fed AO '11 (def champ)
vs Nadal WI '11 (def champ)
vs Nadal UO '11 (def champ)
vs Nadal RG '15 (def champ)
vs Fed AO '16 (next champ)
- potentially in the list: AO '19 vs Nadal, WI 2019 vs Fed
NADAL
vs Fed RG '08 (next champ)
vs Fed WI '08 (def champ and next champ)
vs Fed AO '09 (next champ)
vs Djokovic UO '10 (next champ)
- potentially in the list: RG 2019 vs Fed
FEDERER
vs Djokovic AO '07 (next champ)
vs Nadal WI '07 (next champ)
vs Djokovic WI '11 (def champ)
- potentially in the list: WI '19 vs Nadal***
***..."The offseason is too long if you're WD'ing from exhis b/c of exhis."***
ReplyDeleteI think I heard Roger decided not to play in the Inaugural ATP Cup next month! I guess his exhi. schedule's already loaded!
***He gets a MIL$ for an exho; I'm sure ATP cup doesn't pay that much, esp. considering that his team will prob. lose.***
So you have no prob. w/ a billionaire whoring himself out for a million$ in the twilight of his career? He supposedly has a lit'l something left, but it's being wasted on these silly exhos. all over the world! It just ticks me off when the elites kvetch about how tired they are, + "the season's too long!" We're talking about tennis; "cry me a fk'n river!" I'm so over athletes all over the sports spectrum! The greed, ego, & phoniness is just too much to deal w/ @ my age! I don't waste a thought on baseball any> w/ no one else watching it, but still signing players to $300-500 M, multi-yr. contracts! It's just gotten out of control! When the CUBS won the World Series a few yrs ago here in Chgo, I didn't watch a moment of it; barely hearing that they did win! It's possible to totally "ghost" a sport if ignored & SC's baseball coverage is nixed off my screen during their season!
***I have heard other players complain, including some of those who play in exho. matches. I agree w/ you that someone shouldn't complain about the length of the season & still play in exho. matches.
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I agree except Roger isn't one who complains about the long season. He's not = playing any warm up prior to the AO. Also, it wasn't a case of whoring himself out for few million. He made £8 million. That's a lot! He played a handful of matches in places he'd never played before & delighted many fans who'd never seen him play there before & had fun. Personally I'd love to have fun, delight fans and make £8 million.
- https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1208865/Roger-Federer-exhibition-Alexander-Zverev-Ecuador -
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Djokovic's 3-0 over Fed in Wimbl. finals' one of the GOAT achievements-
Look @ the score in the final of the greatest champions of Slam tournaments in Open Era:
RG Borg 6-0
WI Sampras 7-0
RG Nadal 12-0
AO Djokovic 7-0
WI Federer 8-1 vs anyone but 0-3 vs Djokovic
Djokovic is the only onw who dominated a dominator.
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I think Fed's the 1st player to compete in 4 diff. decades. I c/b wrong, but I don't see anyone else who chd that. Connors did 3 decades.
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I think it's also the X'ing. Navratilova played all the way from mid 70's ('74) to around '05 - that's 3 decades, but had she started from say '69, it would've covered 4 decades - remarkable. All these athletes have bolstered their already stellar recs w/ records of longevity & consistency as well.***
***Fed met Djokovic 5x's in slams in '11-12; Nadal met Djokovic 4x's.***
ReplyDeleteThe big diff. was Nole had to deal w/ Fed in SF's, then Nadal in Major Finals! This is why I give him > credit on his resume due to overwhelming odds to overcome Fedal bias w/ media & fans! Lendl had to deal w/ the same thing "back in the day" w/ Connors, McEnroe, & Borg! He was the 3rd wheel = though he surpassed both Connors & McEnroe for the most part! Djokovic has a chance to surpass Fedal if he can keep this current form up for another 2 yrs IMO! The NG'rs have already begun to make their mark & it's only a matter of X before they start taking care of "the old men" of this era!
***Laver doesn't get the credit he deserves in a X where grass was the main surface. Pete was incredible @ capitalizing on every op. Fed has the consistency & longevity. It's fairly close, but Fed has t/b it for me w/ Sampras right there w/ him.***
I have to put Sampras ahead of Federer who had one detractor (Krajicek) in '96 while Fed made a lot > finals & has a lot > losses! Dropping 3 finals to a player (Nole '14, '15, & '19) earns him a bit of a demerit; sorry!
***From '61-69, Laver won 4 out of 4 Wimbl. & 4 out of 5 Wembly Pros, played on wood, the speed of which anyone who started watching tennis w/i the last 20 yrs can't = begin to imagine.
From '60-62, Laver made the final of every AO, Wimbl., & USO, all on grass. Of course in '62 he won a CYGS, winning on the grubby dirt as well. He then turned pro for 5 yrs, eligible to enter 15 pro slams. He made the final of 14 of those 15 pro slams. In '67 he won the pro circuit CYGS.
In '69, he won an Open CYGS. During that entire per., he was facing players like Rosewall, Emerson, Roche, Newcombe, Stolle, Fraser, Fletcher, Gonzeles, Okker, Drysdale, Smith, etc .. & dominating. There's a reason Sampras & Federer idolise Laver, despite punks thinking he only won 2 Open Era Wimbys.
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I'd actually rate Laver & Sampras as = kings of grass. Fed comes 3rd mostly for his win over Sampras @ 19 & his 10 Halle trophies. His Wimbl. don't rate w/ the others due to the slow conditions.***
That's a 2nd reason to drop Roger below Rod & Pete! The courts are just too homogenized & slow aiding in his consistency over the yrs! He was in a groove smacking groundstrokes like he was on HC = when playing on grass! Sampras or Borg had no =, but grass made them vulnerable! I'd like to see Roger survive when it was more choppy courts trying to avoid an upset! Bjorn's rec. is = > impressive doing it from the baseline w/ a wood racket!
***It goes w/o saying that it wasn't the best versions of Fed & he beat Djokovic in '12 there when the levels of both were on a more = playing field. Everyone has their opinion though.***
Just keep avoiding the facts! We all need to protect our opinions! I just try to put the stats out there & hope logic wins out as a resolution, not opinion!
***The great logic of not playing makes you >er > playing and losing after winning (in these cases in the final no <). A person who have never played tennis must be the GOAT w/ this kind of logic. Federer did infinitely >er > Sampras by losing in those finals. Sampras didn't = play @ the same age. That should never be considered >er.***
Who's to say who's < rational or > delusional! I'll still elevate someone winning over losing just about every X! Courage means lit'l in comparison to results in the history of most things I can think of OTOH! How much credit is Nole getting for making FO finals, but coming up short to Nadal?
Hmmm, America's Team is now 6-6 after dropping another Thxgv'n. game @ home! I'm still chuckling watching Allen of Buffalo pick them apart w/ an ex-Cowboy, Beasley! I almost ROFLOL w/ comments about the Dallas "pass rush" this morning on the sports talk shows! They shb playing the music of Elton John singing, "I'm Still Standing..." when Allen just stood still there in the pocket in one of the pass plays! I can't ever remember a QB absolutely "standing still" in "the pocket" w/ impunity as he scanned the field not sweatin' rush! ;-)
ReplyDelete***...Hopefully a coaching change is in the winds.***
Like Wash'ton & Oakland when Al Davis was alive, the owners are sabotaging their own teams; esp. Jones who's ego won't allow him to accept he blew it when he allowed Jimmy Johnson to walk out the door! My head still shakes watching it happen right after defending SB win for Dallas in '93! They won only one since in '95 & have been wasting their X ever since; = w/ the leadership of Parcells! It's unfortunate this'll prob. continue until Jones relinquishes control!
***NE Pats fans fight each other in the stands. - ..."Losing?" Dude, they got spanked & spanked bad on Nat'l TV. The only ??'s which whore-house the team owner was in that night.
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You're thinking of that MNF game 2 or 3 yrs ago where they came in there & blew them out. Now THAT was a spanking. This one wasnt a blowout, in fact they had a chance to win it in the end.***
This is some "victimhood" going on in NE! These idiots are booing & attacking one another w/ a 10-3 rec.! They must have more insight knowing their team is deficient in talent & have beaten teams they should win & lose to superior teams w/ QB's under 25! That's got t/b bugging them, but their expectations have been out of whack w/ them consistently getting to SB = if lost! They're spoiled & don't realize, things have to come to an end someX! Their coach was preparing for the future, but Brady wouldn't cooperate, going behind Bel's back to cry to the owner & had his replacement sent packing to SF! Now they're in good shape w/ 3 or 4 of the top teams in the league while NE's barely avg.! M/b their own cheating is hitting them w/ KARMA finally so long after that lame "tuck" rule saving their asses almost 20 yrs ago!
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***...I joined a rec. clubs; Columbia actually. Signed up & allowed them to send recs & tapes of their choosing every month. If I didn't send them back w/b charged for them. The same thing's still done today w/ so-called "free trials."***
Some think rec. club adverts a scam, but I got what I wanted out of it! It's been over 40 yrs since I signed up, but it worked out! I filled holes in my coll. when disco was @ it's heights! I liked having all the formats, so Columbia loved me, ordering multi-copies of the vinyl, cassette, & 8-Track! (still have players)! They gave me 2 or 3 yrs to buy "some recs" @ full price, but got tons "on sale" & discounted over many months! Ordered other junk like a "KISS" belt buckle, some posters, & a few t-shirts! They got their $$'s worth out of me! Kept it up for @ least 15 yrs finally graduating into CD's in '90!
*** I legitimately stole as many tapes as I could w/o paying.
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I still play all my Cassettes, Albums, & working on my 8-track player. Have CDs now too.***
I continue to play cassettes in the car, but my favorite vids are on VHS & Beta tape! I stocked up on machines 20 yrs ago, but down to my last VCR! Gonna have to hunt down some rather old & antiquated mechanisms! They're out there if willing "to be taken!"
***Mitch McConnell is claiming there's no legislating going on b/c of impeachment:
ReplyDeleteThe House has passed a major piece on healthcare legis. during the Judiciary committee impeachment hearing break. The Bill, HR 3, passed by 230 votes to 192 mostly along party lines. It would lower the cost of prescription drugs by allowing gov't to negotiate prices w/ manufacturers. It makes major changes to the US gov't’s Medicare program by capping out of pocket drug cost expenses under to the program to $2,000 & creates new dental & vision benefits. The Bill has lit'l to no chance of passing the Rep. controlled Senate so is unlikely to become law.
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It's totally false that no legis. going on. The Nat'l Defense Auth. Act a very large piece of legis. was just passed & Dems worked to get a new trade deal to their liking from Trump as well.***
No surprise; lying's the cure all for their ills! We talk > about how dispicable they are instead of staying "on issue!" McConnell knows what he's doing!
***If Trump retains his influence w/ his base & consequently, his power over Reps, there w/b a bogus impeachment investigation if Reps are in a position to do it.***
It's already bogus! McConnell admitted to meeting w/ POTUS attorneys to go over how to deal w/ this impeachment trial! There's no real separation of powers w/ McConnell's lack of integrity & not caring about the institution he leads! It's already over before it begins! It's a sham & the whole world knows the outcome already!
***...Why is the argument limited if one has expectation that witness be true witnesses & not lie under oath?***
What witnesses? Trump hasn't sent anyone over they want to talk to! Only the detractors who are pointing out the criminal behavior of Trump are voluntarily speaking so that's on HIM & no one else! If it seems partisan, it's b/c the other side hasn't actually participated, so get over it!
***We're talking about retaliation impeachment should a Dem/ get elected. Regardless of what McConnell has decided, this impeachment is not bogus. Trump has abused his power, obstructed Congress, & obstructed justice. ...***
You can't be serious! We're @ a crossroad where the partisanship is so bad you don't have t/b pushed into doing something wicked, they just do it for the HELL of it! Even Obama did nothing to Trump aside from making fun of him @ the WH Corr. Dinner, but he's gone out of his way to insult, undermine the previous admin., & has systematically tried to overturn just about everything Obama signed into law! The ACA only survived by McCain coming to his senses before he died saving our healthcare system! Idiots were ready to elim. the coverage & replace it w/ nothing! We're such idiots! We keep rewarding these a-holes, so they continue that trait of disgust!
***Trump has threatened retaliation should a Dem. be elected & asked what he/the GOP would do & I said should Trump retain his power over Reps, they'd impeach a Dem. for no reason. As far as Trump's impeachment is concerned, yes, I'm serious. I don't think the impeachment's bogus, but justified & long overdue. In an ideal system where everyone does what they're supposed to do Trump would have already been impeached & removed or @ the very least w/b impeached by the entire House & be removed come January.***
Again, I have to ask, who are we kidding? Regardless of what happens or if we NEVER impeached Trump, The Reps have become "the vindictive party" &'ll most def. invent a reason to impeach the next Dem! They'll make up shit > likely as they did w/ Clinton! For those same A-holes to go full out on a Dem while excusing any Rep. malfeasance, I just don't really care anymore! I've gotten too old to fight! This country is truly doomed if they think this is an unfair process after what they put the country thru 20 yrs ago w/ Bill & Hillary; an era of HATING!
***Greta is just way too smart for Trump. He needs to stick to people his own speed like his fellow Reps.***
ReplyDeleteWho isn't smarter > Trump? I'm not kidding! The economy's spinning along, w/ low unemployment, & the stock market blowing up, but b/c of his insulting & disgusting behavior in the OVAL Office, going on Twitter rants vs kids, no one cares! He w/b doing so well if he'd just shut up & stay out of the news for a few days! His popularity & poll #'s would explode, but he's not smart enough to do that! I thank him!
***Trump didn't understand why Ivanka converted. “Why should my daughter convert to marry anyone?” In a book, the claim that Trump was “reluctant” to accept Ivanka’s conversion, but eventually did so. Ward wrote that Jared’s parents, Charles & Seryl, were extremely unhappy by the match when Jared & Ivanka 1st started dating in '07.***
People haven't come to the realization that Trump's a pariah, = in NY! He's not LIKED by anyone w/ reasons he has all these foundations, benefits, & other events to have somewhere to go b/c no one invites him to shit! He knows it makes sense deciding to make FLA his home after he leaves the OVAL Office! He won't get 1/2 the respect he'll get from those rubes in the South over the > sophisticated NY crowd!
***The WH is restricting the # of people who're allowed to listen to Trump's calls to a handful of Trump appointees.
- https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/white-house-foreign-calls-crackdown-ukraine/index.html -
This is dangerous on so many levels.***
Honey, that was the case when he was elected! He has undermined every institution, saying they're all corrupt while he's the only honest broker; the one w/ over 13,000 reg. exaggerations, embellishments, & outright lies! This is the 1st president in the history of this country who entertains Russian spies, tries to hide it, then actually continues the practice w/ a meeting recently! I'd go on, but obviously few really care! How many of his supporters are ready to admit he's scum? It'd reflect on them! "NEWSFLASH, it already has!" Thanks America for destroying us!
***And I've expressed my fear about him & the threat he poses. Was predictable that he'd be like this since before he was elected. ...I will not cease to do so just b/c we all know he's dangerous. He's normalized this behavior & signal acceptance which is dangerous as well. - Is this = legal?***
You're kidding? Trump doesn't GAF about something being illegal or not! Like Nixon, he said out loud, "if I do it, it's not illegal!" He believes that! The courts w/ plenty nom. by Trump have told him differently! If not for Bill Barr being his "Roy Cohen," he'd be fit t/b tied w/ all the people working vs him! Poor baby, it's rough having rules & regs to limit his power! - He's become a mush-mouth w/ those loose dentures!
***He wears dentures? W/ his $$ he could get dental implants.***
Trump's a cheap bastard & couldn't find a sucker who does dentalcare so he can get it "gratis!" He isn't paying Giulliani for his services & he's getting what he paid for! He's just helping to prosecute his ass right into this impeachment tmrw!
***Rick Wilson, George Conway, & 2 other Reps have created "The Lincoln Project." Their mission is to defeat Trump in '20 = if it means helping a Dem. win the election. They still oppose Dems in ideology, policy, etc., but they don’t want Trump to win in '20. They want the real Rep. Party back.***
ReplyDeleteThe problem is they had to wait until it got so bad, the whole world is "choking on it!" Everyone's looking for redemption after the fact! It's sort of like forgiving the arsonist b/c he's manning the hoses w/ the volunteer fire dept.! They've been on a downward spiral going back 25+ yrs, becoming a group I don't recognize! They poisoned the well during the Clinton yrs, getting no >er during "W's" tenure, & by the X they got to Obama, they just didn't GAF & let it all hang out acting like rednecks, white nationalist, & racist a-holes! They should've reeled those jerks yrs ago when one of them screamed out at Obama, "you lie" @ the SOTU! There c/b no redemption after that was allowed to stand! ...You >er believe I'm giving them no credit for finally standing up after so many yrs of disgusting behavior @ the top! FK 'EM ALL! ;-(
***The reason that Labour took a drubbing in England is that they've abandoned their working-class base, a great part of which voted for Brexit. Abandon your base: pay the price.***
Seems like most countries are going thru some kind political metamorphosis due to like-minded populism being proselytize by the same nuts! Trump was being advised by the same loons promoting Brexit! It's like they can't fk up their own country enough, "we'll send over reps to drag you down w/ us MATE!"
***@Jay Satyr - agree in great part. Actually, our own Revolution ('76-89) was sold out to British banking interests & our relationship w/ Britain has been our MAJOR Achilles' heel ever since. Think British banking, WWI, the Balfour Declaration, WWII, & so on.***
You're giving entirely too much credit to the "inbreds" we cultivate here in the States! They have a real problem w/ history or we wouldn't keep making the same mistakes over & over again! The latest gen. doesn't acknowledge anything that happened before they were born! Unfortunately nothing c/b done since a great deal of textbks come out of Texas where they're systematically re-writing our history; = fiddling w/ the Founding Fathers! This country is doomed on so many fronts; Trump just the latest symptom of the lowering of the bar to civility & compassion!
***@JAY - ITA! We're surrounded by ignorant dunderheards. But it's well to remember that it's always been thus. The sheeple will follow a leader: they always do. The problem is to raise the leader, not the intelligence & knowledge-set of the sheeps. LOL!***
...Remember there are certain types > radical than the Bible-thumpers who burned so called witches back in the day! The real cons. nuts traveled SOUTH! They're the type who give lip service to civility & compassion, but install a creature like Trump who's insulted women, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, Gold Star families, & allies while sucking up to Putin, Kim Jon-un, & Xi-Jinping! He has systematically undermined every Fed instit. when Reps were known to cover for any mistake! The Nat'l debt isn't = spoken about since Rep. are in charge! Trump flaunts all our failings to save his own ass! We deserve anything that happens!
***@JAY - one small addendum: MANY of these ultra Bible-thumpers are moving to the northern tier states in order to est. their white supremicist Christian dominion. To your last comment: agree. I've been saying for a long X now that "we're doomed & deserve it." I wish you well & thank you for your comments.***
***...The fact that you had to resort to pumping up Halle to pad Fed’s resume says it all. King of Bo3, but the bridesmaid when it counts.***
ReplyDeleteEach player has a foil somewhere along the way; which is why Fedalovic w/b inextricably linked for all X! Tennis Intelligentsia will try to make it all about Fedal, but Djokovic has so many recs they don't have &'ll never acquire!
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I've to put Sampras ahead of Fed who had one detractor (Krajicek) in '96 while Fed made a lot more finals & has a lot > losses! Dropping 3 finals to a player (Nole '14, '15, & '19) earns him a bit of a demerit; sorry!
***It's true that Fed lost 4 WB finals & Sampras 0. And it m/b tempting to conclude that "Sampras was > dom. & therefore the superior grass player." ...Sampras didn't face Murray, Nadal, & Djokovic, which are stronger players on grass > anything Pete faced. Therefore, we can't assume that Sampras would lose 0 WB finals vs the players Fed faced. All we know is 8 > 7. Therefore Fed's >er on grass > Sampras. Not by a giant margin, but still enough.
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...Machi, nobody's saying making finals & losing is a bad thing. No, it is not. However, making finals & repeatedly losing to the same player makes it difficult to anoint Fed the "king of grass." That's what they're all saying. You can't lose to the same guy 3X's on your best surface & be the king of it. Simple as that; esp. when 1 of those losses is a result of the 2nd biggest choke in tennis history.***
Thank you! Fed's gotten the "total" benefit of the doubt for yrs being called "The GOAT!" At the X he was already Rafa's fave "pigeon," beating him on all the surfaces; = grass in '08! The murmurs started about Nadal being The GOAT w/ validation from McEnroe & Wilander! Now Fed has 2 players w/ H2H rec. putting him "under" the Mendoza Line barely holding onto the last vestiges of being thought "the best" by being only 1 major ahead of Rafa! After getting all the accolades by overtaking Sampras' rec. 14 majors in just 8.5 yrs, he very well m/b overtaken by 2 players while still active if he goes another full season or 2! How can Fed call himself the GOAT = now? I drank the Kool-Aid for Sampras who didn't = play a FO final! I won't embarrass myself again in the waning yrs trying to elevate Roger when he's barely holding onto any of the top recs! My vote goes to Djokovic (@ the moment) since he's right on their ass & had to go thru Fedal his entire career! It wasn't like he had a weak era to get fat on! Just look @ the rec.bks already w/ wks @ #1, Nole-Slam (CGS), GM's, defeating 30+ "Top 10'rs" in '15, & count< other recs that are pretty much insurmountable for future gens! They'd have to go "perfect season" to = come close due to pts won, # of finals, & strength of Fedal era!
***Slam matches % played vs GOAT contenders (Laver, Rosewall, Borg, Sampras, Fed, Nadal, Djokovic)
Murray 10.7
Djokovic 9.6
Nadal 9.4
Federer 7.5
Newcombe 6.1
Agassi 5.1
Laver 4.3
Connors 3.9
McEnroe 2.4
Rosewall 1.8
Becker 1.5
Lendl 1.1
Edberg 0.9
Borg 0.6
Wilander 0.6
Sampras 0.4
Slam matches % played vs ATGs (above mentioned + Newcombe, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Murray)
Lendl 17.0
McEnroe 16.5
Wilander 13.8
Djokovic 12.7
Nadal 12.6
Connors 12.4
Becker 11.3
Edberg 11.1
Murray 10.7
Federer 9.9
Agassi 9.7
Rosewall 9.0
Borg 8.9
Sampras 7.9
Newcombe 7.9
Laver 5.7
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ex.: Murray played 10.7% of his Slam matches vs GOAT contenders Fed, Nadal, & Djokovic (25 out of 234)***
***Pos. H2H @ 10+ matches
ReplyDelete1) Djokovic 100.0%
2) Sampras 95.0
3) Federer 94.5
4) Laver 94.1
5) Borg 93.7
6) Nadal 92.0
7) Lendl 91.3
8) Rosewall 85.7
9) Murray 84.2
10) McEnroe 83.3
11) Connors 82.1
12) Vilas 72.0
13) Ashe / Newcombe / Wilander / Agassi 71.4
17) Okker 68.7
18) Stich 66.7
19) Roddick 64.7
20) Edberg 63.6
Pos. H2H @ 5+ matches
1) Borg 97.6
2) Djokovic 96.9
3) Nadal 95.8
4) Borg 95.5
5) Connors 92.6
6) Federer 92.5
7) Sampras 92.1
8) Murray 91.5
9) Laver 90.0
10) Becker 89.5
11) McEnroe 89.1
12) Lendl 89.0
13) Agassi 83.3
14) Roddick 82.0
15) Vilas 81.8
16) Edberg 81.0
17) Ashe / Nastase 79.7
19) Okker 79.6
20) Newcombe / Hewitt 78.0
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I’m sure not many thought Sampras’s rec. would get broken (or @ least not so soon after he retired). IF Nadal brks Fed’s rec. while he's still playing & then Djokovic does the same soon after does it become meaningless? If one guy dominates like this you can argue he’s just a phenom & a freak. When 3 guys are doing it @ the same X doesn‘t it signal the tour's weak & there’s a real lack of comp.? It’s not good for the sport when going into a slam (or just about any tourn.) you’re 99.9% certain one of 3 players will win it. Honestly the best thing that could happen to the sport in '20 is if none of the Big 3 win a slam. We need a changing of the guard. The sport is too predictable & boring right now.
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I doubt it's meaning< to the players involved or their fans. However clearly there are other factors involved than the inherent genius of the players that they're racking up slams like no one ever has. It's too much of a coincidence otherwise.
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You're right, w/ 3 guys playing @ GOAT candidate level the comp. is/was much tougher ('07-early '14 were the best yrs). Pre-RAFOLE, you had one guy turning the tour into his own personal playground. Now that there's 3 guys on the playground you & a bunch of other poasters here want to take your ball & go home. You don't like the possibility of Ol' Rog getting passed so now you're saying the rec. will become meaning<. That's not how it works, whoever has the most slems is GOAT.
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Nadal's still 2 Slams away from passing Fed. Djokovic's 5 Slams away. There's still A LOT of work t/b done yet for either of them to win the Slam race. I'm not sure Djokovic's going to win another 5 Slams. I don't think I see it happening @ this pt. @ his age. Nadal has the best shot & = then it seems t/b getting really tough for him. He had to quit midway in 2 Slams in '18 from injuries. And that USO '19 final took everything in his being to cross the finish line. The comp.'s getting tougher & tougher each season.
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Even if they surpass Fed, it wouldn't make his total meaning<, it would just mean that Roger was overrated & not as good as his fan(boys/girls) had hoped.***
The same c/b said of Sampras since we were ready to overlook the fact that he never = played a FO final! He beat some past FO Champs in Paris, but never came together w/ him losing his best chances vs inevitable winners like Kafelnikov back in '96!
***Djokovic's h2h w/ Big 4 since '11 is something that'll never be repeated:
vs Nadal 21-10 (67.7%)
vs Federer 20-10 (66.7%)
vs Murray 21-8 (72.4%)
Nadal vs the rest of the field 493-74 (86.9%)
Federer vs the rest of the field 478-76 (86.3%)
Murray vs the rest of the field 398-81 (83.1%)
Winning so many matches vs players who have such a dominance over the rest of the field in a Xspan of 9 yrs is something that'll never be repeated.***
...OCO, Fed was Nadal's pigeon for yrs; = dropping matches on grass to the Spaniard! Roger had success in the last 2 seasons, but before that it was all about Fedal in representation alone! Djokovic has been Nadal's only true rival, defeating him on all surfaces; esp. the last few yrs rarely dropping a set on HC!
ReplyDelete***Could you mention one match on grass besides Wimbledon 2008 that Federer lost to Nadal?***
I guess once was enough to make it quite memorable; like it would've been for Fed to defeat Nadal in Paris! It never really happened after all's said & done, many X's I didn't = wake up @ 8 AM just to watch another Nadal RG trophy hoist! Don't put me on the list of "haters," just realistic after being initially impressed w/ Roger professionalism & early dominance! He did initially take advantage of a lame era after retirement of Sampras making it easier to win 3 of 4 majors 3 X's in 4 yrs! That was unprecedented until Nadovic came along to see it's not impossible = when competing vs one another! Nadal & Djokovic have proved they can dom. on all surfaces going up vs Federer! Roger can't say the same; = w/ these last few surprising wins over his closest rivals! It's = hard to say Fed's the "grass goat" seeing as Nole's taken their 3 meetings in the final! Nuff said to just pull back a lit'l w/ the defensiveness! Age can't be used as a crutch since he has beaten both of late, just not when it really counted in the last season aside the Wimbl. SF!
***...The premise is ridiculous since the 3 of them are gonna end up w/i a slam or 2 diff...& each accomplishment w/b incredible in a vacuum & only > profound when considered together. Sampras had the slam rec. & it seemed pretty safe @ the X & then it wasn't... &'s now taking a backseat to the >ness that followed. You would have to guess that whoever emerges from this race will keep it considerably longer than Pete & poss. forever.... and if it were ever to be eclipsed it never w/b described as meaning<.
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Breaking the GS rec. right in front of Federer's face while he's still an active player w/b a gazillion X > meaningful > Fed brk'n Sampras' rec. who was never a moving target & retired eons ago, & a smaller # of GS titles to match. Fedtаrds s/b lucky Fed kept playing otherwise he would've already been surpassed.
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Remember the talking points: "weak era" is any era where Federer is winning slams, un< that era overlaps w/ either Rafa or Djoker, b/c their presence makes it a "non-weak era."***
You're giving more credit to the "also-rans" of the day 15+ yrs ago? Ok, who do we have Roddick w/ 1 major before Roger came into his own, Nalbandian who he lost to @ the ATP YEC up 2 sets (ankle injury? SO?), Hewitt & Agassi on their way out, my fave headcase Safin (d Roger '05 AO SF), & a bunch of clay court specialist that contributed in keeping him from winning his own "Coupe des Mousquetaires" until '09 after Soderling knocked Nadal out in an earlier Rd!
***10 highest winning %'s vs the field in yrs they ended #1:
ReplyDelete- DJOKOVIC
1) '18 Nadal 44-3 (93.6%)
2) '15 Federer 60-6 (90.9%)
3) '15 Murray 70-8 (89.7%)
4) '11 Fed 63-8 (88.7%)
5) '12 Nadal 39-5 (88.6%)
6) '11 Nadal 69-9 (88.5%)
7) '12 Fed 69-9 (88.5%)
8) '14 Fed 70-10 (87.5%)
9) '12 Ferrer 76-12 (86.4%)
10) '18 Fed 48-8 (85.7%)
avg: 88.8%
- NADAL
1) '13 Djokovic 71-6 (92.2%)
2) '17 Fed 48-5 (90.6%)
3) '08 Fed 66-11 (85.7%)
4) '19 Djokovic 56-10 (84.8%)
5) '19 Fed 50-9 (84.7%)
6) '13 Murray 43-8 (84.3%)
7) '10 Fed 64-12 (84.2%)
8) '08 Djokovic 62-13 (82.7%)
9) '17 Djokovic 32-7 (82.1%)
10) '08 Murray 57-13 (81.4%)
avg: 85.3%
- FEDERER
1) '05 Nadal 78-9 (89.7%)
2) '09 Murray 64-9 (87.7%)
3) '05 Hewitt 37-6 (86.0%)
4) '04 Hewitt 68-12 (85.0%)
5) '07 Nadal 68-12 (85.0%)
6) '06 Nadal 55-10 (84.6%)
7) '09 Nadal 65-13 (83.3%)
8) '04 Roddick 74-15 (83.1%)
9) '05 Roddick 59-12 (83.1%)
10) '05 Agassi 38-8 (82.6%)
avg: 85.0%
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For those wondering, these are all the 2-slam seasons in OE:
'73 John Newcombe
'77 Guillermo Vilas
'78 Bjorn Borg
'79 Bjorn Borg
'80 Bjorn Borg
'81 John McEnroe
'82 Jimmy Connors
'84 John McEnroe
'86 Ivan Lendl
'87 Ivan Lendl
'89 Boris Becker
'92 Jim Courier
'93 Pete Sampras
'94 Pete Sampras
'95 Pete Sampras
'97 Pete Sampras
'99 Andre Agassi
'05 Roger Federer
'08 Rafael Nadal
'09 Roger Federer
'13 Rafael Nadal
'16 Novak Djokovic
'17 Roger Federer
'17 Rafael Nadal
'18 Novak Djokovic
'19 Novak Djokovic
'19 Rafael Nadal
For reference, here are the 3-4 slam seasons:
'69 Rod Laver (CYGS)
'74 Jimmy Connors
'88 Mats Wilander
'04 Roger Federer
'06 Roger Federer
'07 Roger Federer
'10 Rafael Nadal
'11 Novak Djokovic
'15 Novak Djokovic
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The best is easily '84 McEnroe. 82-3 (best rec. in Open Era), 2 slam titles + 1 slam final; skipped AO. That blown 2 set lead in the FO final (4-2 lead in the 4th) was devastating.
Next up is '86 Lendl. His YE title was incredibly dominant. As world #1, he beat #2 Becker, #3 Wilander, & #4 Edberg in str. sets(all 6 slam title legends). His worst slam was Wimbl. final. He only lost one set @ the USO- str. set wins over Edberg & Mecir.
'05 Fed's 3rd. 81-4 is incredible. But it easily chb much >er. Two of those losses were in final-set TB's. Another, he had MP's in the 4th before losing 9-7 in the 5th. Fed was a few pts away from going 84-1.
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Laver Cup's an Exo & sucks. DC isn't DC anymore. ATP Cup's like another unDavisCuped DC; just a few wks later in another place.***
I can't be bothered w/ another manufactured event when most complain the season's too long! I haven't been keeping up w/ any of these team events; esp. that DC joke! ...To me this is just another way for the ATP to usurp > influence & gravitas from the ITF! The ITF made the same mistake creating that terrible YEC called The GS Cup!
***The GS Cup obviously didn't have the same prestige as the Masters/WTF, but still I had a soft spot for it.***
I never got into watching that farce in Munich! I always wondered what would happen if a player only won the one major & had an abysmal season otherwise? It did happen to Gaudio back in '04, winning the FO & had a YE ranking of #10! Agassi was #8, but by rule, if the player's in the top 20, he has a pass into the YEC if a major is won; Andre kicked out! ...At X's men's tennis was unwatchable w/ Roddick, Fed's lone rival & fave pigeon!
***Serena thinks "Foot-Faults" is the worst rule....well that, & getting coaching from the stands...& busting tennis racquets....& threatening opps & chair umpires.... & calling opps bitches. Other than those minor incidents she's perfectly happy w/ the rules of tennis.***
ReplyDeleteHappening X X's @ the same major venue making Int'l News for her, the tournament, & women's tennis! How do you live this down? Serena made Osaka's win > memorable for the history books as well!
***Wimbledon broke Federer. That's going to haunt him every Major as winning BO5 over 2 wks really is the ultimate test. At some pt. over 2 wks he isn’t going to have a serious off day thinking back to what mhb.
Djokovic I feel looks physically vulnerable. He isn't the grinder of old where he could go on for hrs; esp. outdoors in heat. Obviously Australia @ the moment is like an oven absolutely Nadal of all the players is going to love those conditions as the ball will sit up & react to the heat.
FO? Djokovic can't beat Rafa or Thiem. Wimbl.? Djokovic will win a few > I think, but can't see him winning USO again. Crowd dislikes him & as he gets older, that seems to bother him; = Wimbl. last yr. although he won he played awful in final.
Rafa I'm sure by end of '21 will have slam rec.
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How does Murray's W-L % vs the rest of the field compare w/ that of Fed, Rafa, & Novak?
In Grand Slams:
Djokovic 256-26 (90.78%)
Nadal 245-26 (90.41%)
Federer 342-37 (90.24%)
Murray 184-25 (88.04%)
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This s/b showed to people who write that Djokovic gifted tread water or hold serve. They need to return down the line or do something that can open up the court. Rafa isn't playing @ his best & he knows it.***
After getting the brk, Novak went "beast-mode" to finish off Medvedev @ the ATP Cup SF! Serbia will have to wait & see what happens w/ Spain & Aust. in the other SF TIE!
ReplyDelete***On his 2nd MP, Novak d Denni 6-1, 5-7, 6-4. Serbia has reached the final of the ATP Cup. - A quality win by Novak. Still not the level I hope to see from him. I can't imagine one other player that would've beaten Daniil today. Now Let’s hope for a Novak - Nadal final.
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...My issue w/ the ATP Cup is DC just took place. If I was a player, this event would mean nothing bar practice for Melbourne.***
To me it's just another way of usurping power from the ITF! The ATP can't seem to work well enough to just go about their business! They feel they need t/b @ odds w/ the "Old POWER" running tennis! ...This is just redundant IMO & another reason for the players to kvetch about how tough the season has been! Idiots!
***ITA.
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W/ Nadal & Djokovic ranked #1 & #2, then playing each other in final, it means the winner of this match gets 250 ATP pts. Given how close they are currently in the ATP ranking, I think they will BOTH want to win this match & take it as if it's a GS final. There's currently 900 pts btwn them B4 AO. ...If Djokovic defends his title & Nadal loses before the final, Djokovic may take over #1 by the end of the AO.***
Nole came out to play! He went thru Rafa in the 1st set in quick order w/ 2 service brks! Djokovic's serve is "on" & he's acing Rafa @ will! It's very reminiscent of their final last season @ the AO!
***This match wasn't the goal. I'm very proud of the way that Nadal was very comp. in the 2nd set. ...Novak's the superior player on HC, but Rafa has got to quit conceding the baseline on his return of service to Novak's service.
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Goatdal's singles spanking won't allow him to play dubs? - He deserved to rest, esp. in front of AO. Wished the same for Novak, but he wants badly to deliver this title to Serbia. Looks like he w/b successesful. Nole & his bud Troicki won the dubs to take it. "Congrats Serbia!"***
Nothing new! Rafa plays when he wants & where he wants! There have been seasons when he's blown off DC as well, so not playing the dubs w/ this new title on the line which doesn't affect his personal rec. is no real surprise!
***Come on, it’s not that important. He played a lot of matches. I'd understand it totally in this case. He could also avoid to play Novak in singles, but he didn’t. He had to know that Novak was in good shape.***
Novak disagrees! It's big for him & he relishes it > since he can do it w/ his friends & teammates! Even though after 2 AM, The Serbs took the X to have a press conference & spoke for quite a while on how much they enjoyed it & the pride they have to do this for their country! As was said, Spain had their fun @ DC last yr.; Serbia got some redemption w/ this win in a new event created by the ATP!
***I meant Nadal, he didn’t play a doubles match. Not that big deal. For Novak it was clearly a matter of honor. Man we s/b just happy about what we saw in that match! We can look much brighter on the upcoming season.
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Oh, sure. Of course you think like that in matches where Djokovic doesn't = have to try. But somehow you didn't really want them to meet when Nadal was the more in-form player.***
How was Nadal not in form; he lost to Novak? You're obviously not paying attn. to history! This is just a continuation of what we already know, Nole's the best HC player! We've given the same amount of love to Rafa for his clay court expertise! What troubles Nadal fans is that it's more of a contest on clay where Nole actually competes well & can win while Rafa's been struggling for YRS w/ Djokovic on HC's! Get your head out of the sand babe!
***The McLaughlin Group has become a 3 vs 1 showdown w/ Buchanan being the last patriot standing. - Then stick to FNC. It's 8 right-wing propagandist vs 1 actual newsman over there.***
ReplyDeleteThey lost Shephard Smith recently & looks as if Chris Wallace is going to "speak up" enough to get canned as well! He's challenging Trump's misinfo. in "real time" & FNC "don't like that!" They want the LIE to hang out there for a few days since the sheep eat it up! I don't have a lot of hope Brett Baier will stand up; from the beginning trying to stay "above the fray" & smile off criticism of his network!
***Jay, do you worry that Rogan is desperately trying to round out some demographic by bringing in someone younger each week? Where does he find these lightweights for the McLaughlin Group?***
What choice do they have? The real heavyweights are dying off if not doddering & incoherent! Pat Buchanan's just an honorary member of the club since he goes back to the old days w/ John, Jack Germond, & Eleanor who's been there forever it seems! I was surprised they revived the show! I thought only us diehards still knew it still existed!
***@Jay Satyr -- Agreed all around! Chris Matthews' still alive & going strong, but would he do it? Could the audience handle his leftist views? Another approach w/b to write off that seat & go w/ 3 panelists.***
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It's not like Rep. don't know they're being conned! ...Any Rep. rally going back 30+ yrs; "when you win your million, you don't want this corrupt gov't taking away your hard earned $$ thru high taxes paying for welfare queens, PPP/abortions, & programs for 'inner city youths!'" It's kinda willful ignorance since this play repeats itself every X Reps take control; high deficits, exponential increases in the Nat'l Debt, more $$ thrown @ Defense, & lowering taxes purposefully trying to bankrupt the country! Eliminating any Dem. ideal is their sole purpose!
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I try not to watch the news since all they want to do is talk about Trump! The country's been set back 50 yrs unfortunately! Thank Gawd I'm old & just don't GAF anymore! I tried being someone down the middle who could see both sides, but "the right" have collectively lost their minds! I can't & won't = discuss things w/ people like that! It's a total waste of X! Women are the most confounding seeing as they were the ones that put Trump in office! Hillary was the most qualified person in history, but it was "women who hate other women" that decided they'd rather have a male Chauvinist pig run the world who just happens to be fk'n nutz! Fuck 'em all!
***Trump has t/b one of the most unqualified Presidents in history if not the most unqualified, & the worst part is he doesn't give a damn about America. He will sell the whole country out as long as his personal interests are met, & it's as simple as that. Also, he is indeed a lunatic. There is no need discussing anything w/ people who support him b/c they're a lost cause, & completely devoid of any common sense. This is a sad state we're in now & I can't = stand to watch the news any> b/c I'm sick of hearing about or looking @ him.***
***Another inquiry into the oh-so-criminal-Hillary has produced no "tangible results". Shocker.
ReplyDelete- https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-winds-down-clinton-related-inquiry-once-championed-by-trump-it-found-nothing-of-consequence/2020/01/09/ca83932e-32f9-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html -
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There's still the mystery of the deletion of emails & smashing of devices by Hillary's people.***
It shouldn't have been an issue b/c it shouldn't have been an issue in the 1st place! Everything the Clintons do is under scrutiny & makes lit'l to no sense b/c after all these yrs "ya still got nothing on them!" Cons. a-holes have made their lives miserable, but they still got enough done t/b remembered long after most of those small minded twits have passed on to HELL!
***It's a few days old, but the Secret Service is supposed to go back to the Dept. of Treasury. The bill would require Treasury to publicize the Secret Service's travel expenses for Trump and his family 120 days after the bill passes. Mnuchin wants it delayed until after the election. Just how much money is Trump wasting?
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mnuchin-seeks-delay-of-proposed-disclosure-of-secret-service-spending-on-presidential-travel-until-next-year/2020/01/08/8769ea28-30da-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html -
A '76 law allows the president to designate one primary residence outside the WH for the Sec. Serv. to protect full-X. It also requires the agency to report to Congress semi-annually the costs of securing that property. The measure did not anticipate a CEO who regularly visited that one property, as well as X others.
They've failed or been late in recent yrs to provide = those limited cost reports. The agency did not file such reports in '16 or '17 according to the GAO. It has delayed submitting subsequent reports, filing a recent report in Nov. that was due in March. Agency officials have cited staff changes as the reason for its failure to submit 2 yrs of reports.
The avail. recs about Trump’s travel provide only snapshots of the costs to the public: The GAO, for instance, found that his 1st 4 trips to Mar-a-Lago in '17 cost the SS about $1.3 M each. (Other agencies also spent $$ on those trips, bringing the federal gov't’s total spending to $3.4 M per visit to Mar-a-Lago.)
Trump's made 22 > trips to Mar-a-Lago since then, according to a Post tally. If the SS’s costs remained constant, that would mean > $28 M in further spending by the SS alone, & $75 M from the gov't in all — & just on a small fraction of Trump’s total travel.
Another snapshot came in March '17, as the SS was still adjusting to Trump’s large family & frequent golfing trips. The agency asked Congress to add $60 M to its budget just to handle Trump’s travel, according to internal agency docs reviewed by The Post.
I realize that you can't give the SS a fixed budget since each President has diff. needs, but Congress should find a way to limit the budget & everything that goes over the # the President has to either pay out of own pocket or the SS can't provide the services. They have to state publically what the $$'s for. Not specifics about protective measures, but things like another overseas trip by the kids or golf cart rentals, etc.
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If the impeachment was so good, why's Nancy ashamed to send them.***
You say "ashamed," I say "enlightened" which you won't understand! Anything that doesn't give you people immed. gratification/satisfaction is wrong, corrupt, or FAKE! A fk'n bunch of idiots living a cult life! What fools! Good luck to you!
***Nadal's by far the dominant player @ Majors. Nadal'll brk Fed 20 Majors w/i next 18 months. He may lose his Masters 1000 lead to Djokovic though.***
ReplyDeleteLead? 35-34 is what you're hanging your hat on? You & others have already put Nadal ahead of Fed since the lead is only one major, 20-19! Just acknowledging the inconsistencies in arguments!
***It's different. Fed had 4 yrs before he had the best of Nadal & Djokovic. Since then he has been outperformed massively. Rafa & Nole are literally same era players so their careers are linear.
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I dislike Djokovic way > I dislike Fed. I just don't think losing finals to Djokovic X after X somehow + something to Fed's Wimbl. legacy.
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Agreed, if those 3 finals had been to 3 diff. random opps, it'd be a diff. story. But not beating Djokovic in a slam since '12 is a diff. story (i.e. he's just psyched out by him), losing 3 Wimby finals, 2 US SF's from match pt. up, + an AO SF. In fact of all Fed's slam wins, as I only 2-3 of them showed any real clutch-ness (AO17, W07, & W09) & he shouldn't have been struggling w/ Roddick in '09 or Nadal in '07 on grass anyway. For mental strength, Fed's vastly inferior to Sampras.***
I love how some just skip over how many X's Nole's stopped Fed @ the AO over the yrs; ordinarily in the SF, so not much is made of it I guess!
***I trust no one would make the mistake of overlooking Sampras' RG futility & not-so-impressive Super 9 rec. (as well as rather poor DC). ...Some sports writers may have suggested Sampras was the greatest, but I believe @ that pt., Laver & Borg were rated above Pete (sev. other contenders had begun t/b forgotten - Tilden, Budge, Gonzalez, Rosewall).
Nadal's incapable of winning an indoor title. His indoor rec. is worse than Sampras' clay rec. Clay's my fave surface. In the game's history, it's roughly = in importance w/ grass, outdoor HC, & indoor (HC, carpet, wood, Supreme Ct, canvass over ice, wood, etc.). Where does each of the Big 3 land on each surface or condition is one interesting way to look @ their relative merits.
I list here what I submit are quite plausible lists of top-20 players by surface. I am not fixed on the rank order, or I may well have left someone off who is deserving. On Clay, there are close arguments for those last few spots. But that is irrelevant. This is to see where each of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic rank by surface.
CLAY:
Nadal (1)
Borg
Cochet
Lendl
Rosewall
Laver
Kuerten
Djokovic (8)
Lacoste
Tilden
Drobny
Cramm
Wilander
Trabert
Courier
Federer (16)
Gonzalez
Gimeno
Nusslein
(tie) Vilas, Ferrero & Riggs
GRASS:
Tilden
Laver
Federer (3)
Sampras
Djokovic (5)
Budge
Borg
Hoad
Becker
Rosewall
Gonzalez
Newcombe
Perry
Lacoste
McEnroe
Edberg
Cochet
Kramer
Murray
Nadal (20)
I'M STRETCHING A LIT'L IN FAVOR OF NADAL HERE. I BUMPED SEDGMAN OFF THIS LIST, & ignored the claims of a few others so as to avoid an injustice to Rafa.
OUTDOOR HARD:
- Djokovic (1)
- Federer (2)
Gonzalez
Connors
Agassi
Lendl
Budge
Sampras
McEnroe
Kramer
- Nadal (11)
Vines
Perry
Laver
Gonzalez
Tilden
Courier
Sedgman
Rosewall
Johnston
INDOOR:
- (generic, not parsing by surface, but obviously in 1970s-90s, this is majority carpet. For the pre-Open pros, it's wood, HC or canvass over ice or some other surface).
Gonzalez
Laver
McEnroe
Lendl
Rosewall
Kramer
Sampras
Becker
Borg
Djokovic (10)
Ashe
Vines
Budge
Borotra
Federer (15)
Hoad
Perry
Sedgman
Segura
Newcombe
RESULTS:
FEDERER: Clay (16), Grass (3), Outdoor HC (2), Indoor (15)
NADAL: Clay (1), HC (11), Grass (20), Indoor (no & not close)
DJOKOVIC: Clay (8), Grass (5), HC (1), Indoor (10)
This is merely one of many tools we can use to analyze where the Big 3 stand. All legit methods s/b looked @ & considered. But this notion that if Nadal wins 2 > Slams, nothing else matters is misguided, IMHO.***
***It's a simple fact. Djokovic during his prime faced an out of form Nadal MUCH > X's than the other way around. You find it hard to admit that. (Don't bring me this BS that Djokovic was a nobody before '11)***
ReplyDeleteAgain with the "out of form" Nadal-BS! lol! Hilarious! At the AO last yr. he was being touted as the next winner, had held serve 50+ str. X's, but that all changed in the final vs his nemesis, Djokovic! Spare me he wasn't prepared, ready, or too fk'n old! That's ridiculous after seeing him take out Medvedev who's beaten Nole a few X's! It doesn't make sense jr.!
***If you think Nadal's anywhere near his prime level then I feel sorry for you. You simply have no idea how high was Nadal's level when he was in his prime. I guess you also think that '11 Djokovic (who lost sets to Nadal on HC, in AO '12 needed 5 sets to beat him) was a worse player than 519 Djokovic.***
So what do you say about Nole taking sets or beating Nadal on clay; = in his prime? The commentary is hypocritical & makes lit'l to no sense!
***Throughout 9 HC matches, Nadal has had 15 BP chances & has successfully only broken Nole twice (WTF 13, IW 16). Djokovic OTOH has had 64 BP chances, converting 29 X's in total.***
Nole's good @ getting to BP's; surrounds his opps w/ them, but all too often they escape! I'm breaking someone if I have L-40; Nole drops those too often! It's not like he's making errors; the op either comes up w/ something brilliant or something happens like a net cord or bad call by the linesmen! Nole's relentless &'ll continue to play like this I hope!
***Both Nadal & Djokovic have won most of their great titles during what has, with occasional slumps, been a true golden era - one of the highest sustained levels of comp. over many yrs. Basically true it was always in-form Fed & Nole Rafa had to face, & the same for Nole (& for Fed since '08). ...OTOH, the 3 Slams won by Murray & Wawrinka, you probably couldn't stop them if you +ed peak Sampras, Agassi, & Kuerten to the circuit.
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Djokovic lost to Roddick, Tsonga, & Wawrinka during his prime.***
I love how some just skip over how many X's Nole's stopped Fed @ the AO over the yrs; ordinarily in the SF, so not much is made of it I guess!
***Slam SF's vs. Fed; Nole's record:
AO: 3-0
RG: 1-1
Wimbledon: 0-1
USO: 2-2***
I mentioned one slam, not all encompassing; shhheeeessshhhh! People can't read around here?
***I was just trying t/b helpful. It confirmed your pt. about AO w/ the 3-0 rec. in SF. I wasn't contradicting you. I can read.***
I just liked seeing the 3-0 alone! That FO match still haunts me to this day; Nole losing to old man river on the dirt! That was one of Nole's super seasons winning 3 majors, but dropped that 1 SF in '11! No one'll ever come close to his '15 w/ titles, finals, $$, & YE pts!
***AO success depends if Nole draws Wawrinka in 4th Rd. Novak’s chances decrease tremendously if he draws Stan.***
Stan just lost in the SF in Doho; seeded #1 w/o the rest of the BIGGIES there, this title shb his! Idiot; it goes to Rublev instead! I never heard of Moutet! I don't think Nole has any concerns dealing w/ another old man hanging on past his expiration date after losing to this kid!
***...I think Nole s/b concerned about the only player to having a winning h2h in HC slams vs him since '14. 1-3 in favor of Wawrinka, w/ those 3 losses accounting for 1/2 of Novak’s losses in HC slams since '14, including the most recent one.***
I don't understand! Why in the HELL should I give a flying Fk what happened yrs ago when Stan's been out of it for quite a while? The player Nole's most concerned w/ these days is Medvedev! That's the one who's been giving him the most trouble, not Stan, Fed, or Nadal!
Great results Sunday! Very lit'l would've made my day >er; m/b Cowboys going down in flames! At least Eagles won the div. & the BOYS are done for the season yet again! Love that KC snatched the 2nd seed after Patriots went down to the Dolphins! My Bears knocked off the Vikings w/ a last min. FG!
ReplyDelete***Speaking of the Cowboys, what does Jason Garrett have to do to get fired?***
Garrett keeps his mouth shut & allows Jerry Jones to mouth off any & all the X! No other self-respecting coach would take the job knowing what a circus goes on behind the scenes! It won't ever matter what talent they have, the BOYS have been able to find a way to lose on Nat'l TV, @ home, yr. after yr. for 25 yrs! They've lost to rookie coaches, rookie QB's, bkup QB, teams w/ losing recs, & teams w/ bad QB's being made to look like P. Manning for that lone game! ...The same thing was going on w/ Al Davis in Oakland before he died & it continues in Wash'ton w/ the meddling of Daniel Snyder! - - "He GONE!" Garrett finally fired!
***Patriots are out! Shocker. Brady may not go out on top!***
Brady's luck seems to have run out! If it does end now, it'll be on a "PICK 6" in a Div. Game @ Home!
***...Both teams playing sloppy, horrible tackling, & poor decisions making.***
I'm dying! Buffalo was an old fave of mines! While out in Cal., their hey day was in the 90's so a lot of their games made Nat'l TV! They were given every op. w/ a reprieve in the end to make it to OT! The decision making by the coach & QB cost them & = w/ those mistakes, they should've won it anyway! Idiots!
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After a great early game w/ Minn. upsetting The Saints in NO, the evening game's been a snooze for the most part! Phili's just hanging around in the waning mins of their < playoff effort! They couldn't protect either QB & the running game was non-existent; actually losing yardage on cons. plays! I expected >er! Pederson got them there w/ smoke & mirrors! The Eagles need so much help!
***That was a dirty KO hit by Clowney; a 265 lbs 6'6" guy pile driving you into the back of Wentz head + his head driven into the turf. That's not Doug Pederson or the back QB's fault, but you're correct; that was smoke & mirrors by Pederson, but also Wentz. Too bad for Philly. Minny coach Mike Zimmer knows how to set up a defense to slow down Peyton & Drew Brees. I'm glad that my Niners are getting another wkend w/o dealing w/ Russell Wilson.***
Hopefully the league'll look @ that Clowney hit & fine his ass! I'm not wanting to give QB's all kinds of excessive protections, but everyone knows these clowns (no pun intended) want to put a hurting on these guys! They always take an extra step & get away w/ a lot! That was horrible!
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Well "The Cowboys" have their new coach in an old fave; Mike McCarthy, ex-GB coach! When introduced Jerry Jones went into a very long schpeel on his resume, reciting he'd coached 3 of the GOAT QB's! OTTH I obviously put Favre & Rodgers up there! Who's the 3rd; Rich Gannon? Any others are trying to make a name for themselves like Alex Smith! I'm just wondering how long it'll take before "the cracks" begin to show since the coach isn't really making all of the decisions? MM seems to have already formed a coaching team while resting & away from the league this past season knowing someone w/b calling! It remains t/b seen if Jones will pay for any of them to come on board!
***I think you can only credit Gruden for Gannon.***
***I can’t believe the Ravens lost. Oh well, I w/b in the beach in Jamaica on Superbowl Sunday so now I don’t care about watching the game.***
ReplyDeleteWell you missed a good one today! KC Chiefs got down by a score of 24-0 w/ dropped passes & a demoralized defense, but somehow they turned it around! It began w/ a fake punt decision by Houston which failed, then there was a long run back on a kick-off that ignited the whole team! The comeback was complete w/ 7 str. TD's, a stiffening of the defense, & desperation of the Texans! They stopped running the ball & gave their QB lit'l help w/ drops & an inability to get open for him! ...W/ upset of Baltimore, the Champ. Game w/b in KC! I hope they can make a Super Bowl after so many near misses; usually by way of one bad play! "Congrats KC!"
***What a 2nd quarter. Crazy. Of course my nephews live in Houston so I’m the jinx rooting for Vikings, Ravens, Texans.
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Not a fan of KC, but really like the amazing q-back that Mahomes is; so happy for them I suppose. And def. rooting for GB vs the Seahawks.
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I knew with Mahomes my Chiefs would have a chance to come back but to do it in one quarter was shocking. Houston certainly helped w/ mistakes: That 1st 1/2 was a roller coaster ride.***
The coach m/b a casualty! Houston just looked bad going down in flames! They were shell shocked & obviously desperate going for a fake punt in their own territory so early in the game! Desperation can occur anywhere; HELL NE did it yrs ago vs the Colts/Manning! Brady failed as well w/ a str. up dropped pass/errant throw (I can't remember) on their own 20 yard line on 4th DOWN!
I've been a fan of KC going back to when Marty Sch. took over as coach! I miss those days; esp. the rivalry w/ Oakland @ the X! I'd already bought a hat back in the 70's! They've had so many good teams over the yrs, but usually find a way to blow it when it counted in the playoffs! That track meet w/ no punts vs Indy/Manning was the most ridiculous since the KC defense allowed a non-running team to "work them" that day! Still a lit'l verklempt over Derrick! I'm praying Reed can lead them to a SB this X! I'll be holding my breath until the final gun; even 1 sec.'s too long if the opposition has a chance!
***...her entire family OaklRaiders loving East Bay 49ers Hatin azz. I almost had to purchase another resident to due to their taunting me about my Niners; a true divided household. hahaha***
...That season The Oakland Raiders always seemed to find a way to lose a game including their KC match-up on MNF! Oakl. had the game in hand, & it came down to a "Hail Mary" from Elvis Grbac of all people! I can still see the horror on the coach's face as he sees the KC receiver getting beyond his defense in the waning secs of the game (28-27); TD, lights out, it was over for Bugel!
***Lol. Bugel was a poor head coach. I think of all the Raiders coaches in the sec. chapter of the Al Davis book, only Art Shell's sec. stint in charge was more demoralising... The Bed & Breakfast Offense...
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Dumbest thing Dan Snyder did was firing Marty Sch. (8-8 season) to go after Steve Spurrier. He should've let Marty have control.***
Owners like Al Davis (RIP), Dan Snyder, & Jerry Jones can't give up control! That's how they got to where they are/were by being "hands on!" Davis got away w/ it taking on star vets; = though undisciplined, he squeaked out some SB wins yrs ago! The Redskins have been a laughingstock since it was sold to Snyder! Jones has sabotaged his own team yr. after yr. going on 25 yrs of futility! Even w/ Bill Parcell, something mhb going on to cause them to drop early playoff games w/ tons of talent on both sides of the ball! Nothing was > insane than firing Jimmy Johnson after winning their 2nd SB back in '93! All this over who should receive the credit? Total derangement syndrome down there in Dallas!
***I don't think any ATG has been owned by another ATG on a particular surface as much as Nadal vs Djokovic on HC's in the last 2 yrs. Even Fed was way > comp. vs Nadal on clay back in the day.***
ReplyDeleteYou see something in Rafa's eyes you don't see going up vs anyone else! IDK if you can call it a sense of hopelessness since he did take the 2nd set to a TB yesterday! All I know is, Nole's HC demolitions of Rafa of late are very entertaining; the worse the drubbing the better! Rafa's so accustomed to doing it to others; esp. on clay! It's nice to see him get a taste of his own medicine!
***A slam is a slam is a slam. It doesn't matter if it was won on fire or ice or on the Moon.
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In order of importance:
1. Slams: Rafa 19-16 Djoker (AO: Djoker 7-1, RG: Rafa 12-1, WIM: Djoker 5-2, USO: Rafa 4-3)
2. The #1 Ranking: YE #1: Rafa 5-5 Djoker / Wks @ #1: Djoker 275 - 207 Rafa
3. WTF: Djoker 5-0 Rafa
4. M1000: Rafa 34-33 Djoker
As we can see it's very close; Rafa has the slams, Djoker edges the #1 ranking based on wks, Djoker has WTF, & Rafa has M1000. They each hold the upperhand in 2 of the 4 major categories (they = share 2 slams each where one's dom. in titles over the other) & b/c it's so close & Rafa's 3 slams in front, it's a no brainer that Rafa's in front of Djoker as it stands right now.
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I think the pt. being made is that when a player has won almost everything, the importance of certain titles may increase or be diminished. In Nadal's case, RG may not be as important as the other slams, & the YEC / WTF / ATPF is > important than it ordinarily is.
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I disagree that Nadal would consider RG < important. If anything it's = > important b/c it's almost a guaranteed slam for him, but I do agree that he prob. really wants that ATPF win before he retires.
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Nadal has the toughest draw by far @ the AO. Having Kygrios in R4, Thiem in Q4 & Medvedev in SF - has t/b the 3 toughest possible matches in a row. Even if he gets thru 1, it creates more wear for the next one & so on. ...Djokovic should send Rafa a belated holiday present. Nadal has a MUCH BETTER rec. vs the new gen. players than Novak. And it seems in having Thiem, Medvedev & = Stan on his side of the draw, Rafa's made Novak's job much easier. The disparity in recs' quite stark. Nadal's 21-8 & Djokovic's 12-10 in h2h w/ the next gen. players below. So while Rafa struggles vs Novak, he handles the potential threats to Novak far > the Serb himself.
Nadal-
Thiem: 9-4
Krygios: 4-3
Medvedev: 3-0
Tsitsipas: 5-1
Overall: 21-8
Djokovic-
Thiem: 6-4
Kyrgios: 0-2
Medvedev: 4-2
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Overall: 12-10***
***Fed's AO draw:
ReplyDeleteStevie Johnson played tough vs Fed the last X they met in IW. Then Krajinovic has reached a Masters' final 2 yrs back, played Fed very tough in '18 Basel & '19 Miami. On to Hurcakz who's coming of a strong ATP Cup beating Thiem, Schwartzman & Coric. Went on to make SF @ Auckland & did a strategic tank to save himself for AO.
Shapavalov - He has never looked >. He beat Tsitsipas, Zverev, & De Minaur @ ATP Cup & lost a 3rd set TB vs Djokovic.
Coric/Dmitrov - Coric has won the last 2 meetings vs Fed & Dmitrov will have the confidence from his win vs Fed @ USO, though it was against an injured version. If Fed wins all this, he faces Tsitsipas / Djokovic & then Nadal. I don't think any top 3 player has had such a tough draw in the last decade.***
Oh "boo hoo!" It's like "cry me a river!" I was a total GOAT fan of Fed for yrs, but after a decade & 2 other contenders who seem to own him for the most part, I'm over the pity party of his draws! For yrs he had no real comp. while in his early prime! I'm sure he stressed getting pigeons like Roddick in final after final! IMO over a career, I don't think anyone's had to overcome > Nole w/ the tennis intelligentsia single-mindedly anointing Fedal ages ago! The fans are the same, so heavily going for Fed @ Wimbl. last yr. it was almost embarrassing! Nadal's so accustomed to being worshipped by all that he actually complained when Nole got > support from the fans last wk. in the ATP Cup final! I found it rich, him being appalled when the opposite's going on all over the world for him! I doubt if he goes to the umpire to ask the crowd t/b > respectful of his opps! He's so FOS!
***I was about to dispute all of this & then I read that last line. - I don't think there are "easy" draws for Fed these days. Nobody expected him to lose to Tsitsipas, Millman, Dimitrov (2 of these guys are in his 1/8 of the draw), but he did. He's simply way too inconsistent (for his standards) t/b a clear fave, = vs a journeyman. Now he's well rested, so it could improve his chances.
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Which matches do you think each member of the "Big 3" regrets losing the most?
For Fed:
'08 Wimbl. Finals (chance for 6 (poss. 7) str. Wimby's & 3 str. wins vs Rafa)
'09 AO Finals (his post-game reaction says it all)
'19 Wimbl. Finals (doesn't get worse > this)
'09 USO Finals (could've won the NCYGS; choked away set 2 & 4, & got blown off the court in set 5 vs a 20-yo)
'05 AO Semis (could've had 4 str. 3-slam seasons; would've been a massive feat for the GOAT debate)
'14 Wimbl. Finals (had BP to serve for a Nicklaus-like resurgence)
'10/11 USO Semis (40-15 again...in b2b yrs, in the same touney, in the same Rd. vs the same player...RIP)
'07/11 FO Finals (How many BPs did Fed have in '07 & how did he lose set 1 in '11)
'14 USO Semis (MUGlic decided to GOAT or else Fed would've drew 'Kori in a gimme finals)
'15 USO Finals (How many squandered BPs again?)
For Nadal:
'12 AO Finals (Up a brk in the 5th...)
'17 AO Finals (Up a brk in the 5th...again)
'14 AO Finals (Body fell apart vs a player who's never won a set)
'18 Wimbl. Semis (Had SPs in set 3 & X BPs in the 5th)
'07 Wimbl. Finals (Had many BPs in the fifth)
'09 FO R16 (He had to lose there @ some pt. in his career)
For Djokovic:
'13 FO Semis (Up a brk in the 5th...til he touched the net)
'15 FO Finals (Slayed Rafa, but got Stanimaled...@ the X)
'11 FO Semis (Could've won the CYGS)
'14 USO Semis (...a horrible blown opportunity by Nole here)
'14 AO Qtrs (Could've won 6 str. AOs)
'12 USO Finals
Since Fed's my fave player out of these 3, '08 Wimbl. & '09 AO were the worst losses...until '19 Wimbl. of course.***
KC started off shaky vs Tenn. in AFC Chp., but got their act together down 0-10 to end the 1/2, 21-17 @ home, getting the ball 1st after Half-X!
ReplyDelete***KC to Super Bowl. Packers don't look good being shutout by SF so far.***
OMG, GB looking like "pretenders" after taking #2 seed late in the season! My pathetic Bears didn't help by giving them 2 victories w/ < stellar efforts! Mahomes chb our QB here in Chgo & he worked us too!
***Very happy for the KC Chiefs. It has been a long wait for their fans. ...I wonder what the Patriots are thinking now? They let their backup QB to SF & now he's prob. going t/b a SB champ., while they got elim. in the 1st playoff game.***
NE as a team didn't want to get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo! He was the heir apparent to Brady, but Tom wasn't ready to step down! It was the same situation as w/ Favre in GB; Rodgers on the back burner, QB in waiting! Tom went over Belichick's head to the owner & sent Garoppolo packin'! Kraft's finally coming around to the coach's way of thinking & stopped interfering in day to day ops! I think Bill was ready to bolt himself leaving Kraft w/ his old QB & a system w/o a leader!
***I was listening to Colin today as well & he thought Belichick wanted Jimmy to go to the best avail. coach on the NFC side for 1 measly pick instead of pushing for > picks b/c he wanted an "I told you so" moment w/ those who pushed Jimmy out. Bill sounds a lit'l vindictive, but this is speculation.
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...I didn't really care much about the Giants.***
Never cared for either Manning; the self-entitlement of it all just made my eyes roll! Eli obviously didn't have as much talent and won't ever be thought of as an elite QB, but he accomplished a feat others couldn't do, took 2 SB's over NE and Brady!
***Harsh Fiero, Harsh! Of course, he had < talent than his bro's pinkey, but he still hit the heights that 99.9% of the people could only ever dream of.
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Their defense won them those 2 SB's, but b/c of the “aura” of being a Manning, he’ll prob. get into the HOF; down the list from Brady, Peyton, Drew, Rogers, Big Ben. I'd = put Rivers & Palmer above him, doesnt matter. A Manning is an NFL golden child. - Kenny Stabler only got the 1 ring, but the guy was one of the last breed of QBs to call his own plays.***
On "The Herd," Cowherd talked about others getting into HOF's outside of winning titles! It's obvious many do make HOF w/ lit'l > "personality!" Charles Barkley didn't win anything but rebound titles & Karl Malone was an MVP of the league, yet Jordan stopped them both from hoisting a chp. award! Is there any doubt they deserve to make HOF?
***ITA, but there's always that tinge of nostalgia when you've watched somebody from the day they were drafted go thru the whole journey, including all of the highs & lows. Funny thing is, I didn't really care much about the Giants.
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They are very slow on the draw regarding the NFL HOF. They just inducted coach Jimmy Johnson & he's def. among the ranks of the elderly. - I think Barkley & Malone both s/b in the B-ball HOF. The football HOF is a lot more comp. given how many players you have on every roster. I read that Kenny Stabler actually did get inducted via the Vets Committee, but they did it after he died.***
***...Novak seemingly has infinite stamina = when he looks like he eats 2 meals a wk, or how Fed managed to come back & become World #1 @ 37. It’s all “suspicious.”***
ReplyDeleteEating 2 meals a day is the best way to handle nutritional intake! I've studied quite a bit of late concerning diet & trying to burn fat! That's what's prob. going on w/ Djokovic since he's so lean; eating only 2 meals over a 6-8 hr. per. & "fasting" the other 16+ hrs! It's so beneficial to have a per. where insulin levels are down forcing the body to burn fat! Supposedly if you "fast" = longer than 24 hrs, mental acuity goes up! We don't necess. become sluggish w/ some severe need of food & water! We've been brainwashed to believe constant grazing is nec. to sustain good health! That's why the world pop. is becoming beastly; self-gratification going amuck! We should adapt a > "Neanderthal way;" sustained periods of starvation to revitalize cells in the body called "autophagy!" It's been a Gawd-send to me! "Intermittent fasting" of 16 hrs every other day has really helped me w/ weight & back issues, w/ gen. reinvigoration of this 60+ yo dude!
***Djokovic has by far the best distrib. in wins over "Big 3"
AO: Djokovic 5 > Nadal 3 > Fed 2
RG: Nadal 12 > Djokovic 2 > Fed 1
WI: Djokovic 5 > Fed 4 > Nadal 2
UO: Djokovic 4 > Fed 3 > Nadal 2
Djokovic beat Big 3 the most in 3 slams, & the least in 0 slams.
Nadal beat Big 3 the most in 1 slam, & the least in 2 slams.
Federer beat Big 3 the most in 0 slams, & the least in 2 slams.***
...Fedovic have a more balanced rec. w/ that +ed sweetener of X YEC's; something Nadal's been struggling to accomplish just once!
***Well for starters, distr. is only ever mentioned here, not really anywhere else or in the gen. sports media. Djokovic doesn't really have that much of a diff. spread to Nadal. The only real diff. is that Nadal dom. his best slam > Djokovic & in no universe should that be a detraction from a claim to >ness.
12-4-2-1
7-5-3-1
Lastly, w/o the joke that was '03-07 Fed w/b missing 40% of his current tally & wouldn't = be in the convo. Either of the other 2 @ age 22 - 26 would've cleaned up that period too.
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Ever since '10, Fed shamelessly tanks to avoid this meeting.***
Well I guess you can say the same about Nadal back in the mid-late 2000's unable to reach the final; often getting annihilated by someone like Del Po in the SF of '09! So I guess you can call both of them wienies for not meeting @ all in NY/USO!
***Serena is gonnnnne. I never saw this coming. Wang wins 6-4, 6-7, 7-5. There w/b no #24 for Serena @ the AO this yr.***
Serena was gassed! Wang got too many balls back & put pressure on her! The 1st serves really helped! Congrats to Wang! Too good!
***Serena squashed her last yr. @ the USO.***
Makes it all the more sweet for Wang after Serena prob. took her for granted! I can watch this one again!
***I'm not saying that Wang didn't deserve her win Looking @ Serena's earlier matches, she did crush Wang @ the USO. I didn't think this match w/b trouble for Serena that's all.***
***Grand Slam matches won %:
ReplyDelete'10s Djokovic 89.92 > '70s Borg 88.70 > '00s Federer 88.26 > '90s Sampras 87.22 > '80s Lendl 85.573
'10s Nadal 88.89 > '00s Nadal 85.59 > '70s Connors 85.00 > '80s McEnroe 84.40 > '90s Agassi 82.64
'10s Fed 84.50 > '80s Wilander 83.89 > '70s Rosewall 83.12 > '00s Agassi 81.31 > '90s Edberg 78.81
'10s Murray 83.62 > '80s Connors 82.88 > '70s Newcombe 81.93 > '00s Sampras 80.77 > '90s Becker 78.38
No doubt about it! The last 10 yrs was a Golden Era in the game. Djokovic won the most slams in that period!***
I stayed up until 5 AM thinking Fed's match w/b anything but a cakewalk after his marathon effort vs Millman 2 days ago! I was right; he started out a lit'l slow allowing Fucsovics to "brk his ankles" on sev. occasions ripping shots behind him! Fed was lucky the kid "went away" w/ the pressure of it all to back up that 1st set! It's just starting again! I need to go watch it; just the 1st set which was hilarious to see the old man struggling! ;-)
***He was lucky & has always been lucky. The 'old man' will need luck of epic proportions to win this tournament.***
Oh well, Coco's dream run ended in the 4th Rd. vs Kenin in 3 sets! She's a true phenom & I hope they don't overplay her!
***The easiness w/ which Djokovic won over Raonic was impressive. Actually, the strange thing is that @ some pts he got frustrated, & I thought.. wtf, the guy's in complete control. I wonder if it's that sense of urgency of just not letting a match escape thru his fingers or if it's just perfectionism.***
Nole's known for his return of serve & ability to brk, but most of the X he allows his opps to escape all too often! Milos shb broken @ least a 1/2 dozen X's! He came up w/ serves that were unreturnable & = won a few rallies, but for some reason it happens too often & it frustrates Nole IMO!
***Impressive match from Novak. Milos was always feeling the pressure when serving, forced to increase his risk. Therefore I think it didn't look that good from Milos. Anything can happen, but I'm pretty relaxed for SF & F.***
Rafa's getting the tougher route w/ Dom his next test who's playing quite well! He's due! Some might say Fed's due a win over NOLE in a major, but his struggling w/ these "also rans," he's deserving of nothing! Even he said he didn't deserve this match over Sandgren, poor slob! Ten not only lost 7 match pts, $350K was attached to them! That could've set him up for quite a while! Roger hardly needs it! My hope is that Nole punishes the "old fart" just for = attempting another run "down under" @ his age! Most usually stop making the trek late in their careers!
***Fed seemed fine in set 5! Running like a rabbit around the court! Lol***
So no excuses right? We'll see! IMO, it's very likely Fed won't play Nole! Not trolling, just that I do remember that YEC where he bailed after killing himself to overcome Stan just a wk. b4 DC! He could've jeopardized all kinds of comity when Mirka got involved in that SF match! I thought it a distinct possibility of Stan bailing on the DC team just for spite, but I guess they hashed it out! They went on to win the CUP!
***I w/b surprised if he plays.***
I don't think he wants t/b embarrassed the way Rafa was last yr. in the final! IMO Roger would deserve the beating! Why = make that journey "down under?" I have this thing about legends just holding on & keeping the NG'rs from taking their place! Fine, they should earn it, but Fed's gravitas still radiates & players do fold = when he's playing so poorly!
***Roof shb closed BEFORE each of the SF's, not DURING. Ridiculous t/b playing tennis or any sports where the temp was near 40 degrees Cel. It makes sense to move the AO to April date & BO3 men a& women matches, period.***
ReplyDeleteHow much > easy do we want to make it on today's stars? It was bad enough when the "powers that be" decided to go "BO3" @ Masters events; = the YEC! That's allowed Fedalovic to rack up about 30 "M1000's" each when in the old days, = w/ our brightest & best, they got nowhere near that # of wins! We're already handing over "Fort Knox" @ the lamest of tennis events, now we want to undermine the whole sport by taking MAJORS to BO3? It was bad enough when the USO was doing it to speed up play or "catch up" due to inclement weather over 40 yrs ago! I understand where you're coming from, but w/ conditioning & coaching, today's elite players will manage w/o another "leg up" to inflate their resumes & wallets! Give the rest of the tour a bone FFS!
***If I had a dime for every X a player loses the rationale by the fans being “he wasn’t @ his best...”***
We accept it @ X's; just depends on what side of the trolling you're on! I joined in w/ many who gave Roger cover early on when Rafa was "owning" his ass 15 yrs ago! People should've gotten off of that when Nadal took Fed to 5 sets @ Wimbl. in '07! That should've told us all, "this is no fluke! This kid's kickin' 'The Goat's' butt!" When Rafa actually won in '08, everyone was weepy for Roger! Why? He'd won 5 in a row! I'm sure no one cried when Rafa was elim. @ the FO in '09 by Soderling! I know I cheered like it was some kind of right for Fed to have his chance to win in Paris = if on the wings of a scrub!
***It's hot today, but IDK whether heat rule w/b in effect for night match.***
The so called experts thought it'd benefit Roger w/ the speed of the court > to his liking! The slower, cold nights supposedly whb to his detriment! I don't think it'll matter! This is going t/b a war of attrition regard<! Fed's got to keep this up for 3 hrs! The crowd vociferously rooting for Roger as usual! It's really getting t/b obnoxious; esp. when they seem to applaud Nole's errors & DF's!
***Djokovic's the heavy fave & rightfully so. That said, Fed's underest. @ your peril, something that I'm sure Novak'd acknowledge w/o any hesitation.***
OCO, when has Nole ever taken Fedal for granted or underestimated them? If anything he'll be more prepared and ready to deal with them; esp. the old man since a loss w/b so embarrassing! I'm hoping for an annihilation for Roger even pushing himself in this tourney! He s/b saving himself for Wimbl. & the USO for the most part & forget these fringe majors "down under" & in Paris! He's not going to win either again w/ the NG's on his ass! Wasn't his beating by Tsitsipas last yr. telling enough?
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It's back on serve after duel brks! Fed cooled off = w/ the high temps outside! Nole's striking the ball w/ abandon! Fed's secret practice paying off!
***Yeah. Even if Fed comes out w/ this set. Just watching the rallies, Novak's just so solid. You wonder on every ball Fed hits if it'll be a wild shank or head str. for the net. But w/ Novak, from all over the court, in all sorts of positions, on the full stretch, he's barely missing. Got a solid hold there for 6-5. ...Djokovic holds to force the TB. And apparently Djokovic has won 15 of his last 16 TB's. Nole takes it 7-1, 4th w/o UFE.
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So Fed saves brk pts in his 1st service of the 2nd set as well. But the fact that Novak keeps getting to 40-L & 40-15 on Fed's serve simple doesn't bode well. You can't save all those BP's every X.***
***Jowill pulled out of Rotterdam, don't know when he'll be back.***
ReplyDeleteJWS should really give it up! I feel terrible for him & others like Tommy Haas! Some just aren't destined to get the most out of their abilities! Even Rafa prob. should've done > but for his body betraying him! I'd have > sympathy for him if he didn't work so hard exacerbating his issues! Players brk'n down w/b horrible w/ how fast the game's played! It's already "out of control" w/ players routinely needing to take X off the court due to some kind of physical breakdown!
***I get that on any given day = pros @ the highest level someX's are a bit off, regard< of the opp. When a player is making tons of UFE’s it’s not always about their opps high level. It happens. My issue's w/ the rationale that the victory by the opp. isn’t “legit” b/c the player was not @ their best. It doesn’t matter, the victory & loss still ct. You can’t wish it away as if it didn’t occur. Most champs can win = not playing @ their peak, but again every match dynamic (includ. opps level & play) is unique.
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...Thiem will run out of gas having had to play longer matches. For sure I hope he can win, but I don't see how esp. on that court surface.***
Same here! I can live w/ either winning! I won't be a hypocrite & blindly support Djokovic when we need this NG to do > make an impression! The "Lost Gen." moniker was invoked while watching the SF & we don't want the same to happen to Thiem, Zverev, & the rest! X may've passed for Raonic, Kei, & Dimitrov. w/ Cilic getting to a few finals winning 1 major! Wawrinka & Murray prob. would've > 3 each but for Fedalovic! Historians will've to deal w/ it later seeing these 3 players names winning just about every major event for almost 20 yrs! In the Open era, this is unprecedented dom. that may never be matched again; certainly not in my lifeX!
***Novak Djokovic's looking to become the 1st man in the Open Era to win Grand Slam titles in 3 diff. decades.
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Nole's pulled out that 4th set &'s now a brk. up in the 5th. He's edging ever closer to inevitable GOAT status...
3...2...1....Front implodes in apoplexy...Fiero orgasms un-assisted for the 1st X since his 40s...Moxie finds some way to interpret this as a dig @ Rafa.***
Hard to believe Roger would play IW/Miami both! That makes no sense un< he loses early in IW! Add Paris & those exhs!
***He has skipped Miami many X's before, but this yr. he has 1,000 pts to defend. If he doesn't defend them, he'll be in danger of dropping out of the top 4, which would not do him any favors, esp. @ the majors.***
So in our heads we should figure Fed'll defend those pts w/ no problem? I think his fans should start "whistling walking by the graveyard!" This m/b "the end!" I don't want to hear about age or injury; if you can't handle it, "GET OUT!" I have always been a fan of Roger's style & play, but now he's just taking up a spot in the draw as far as I'm concerned! All those so called "miraculous" comebacks sound fantastic, but who does he do it against? Same for him going for broke early on vs Nole in that SF! We all knew it wouldn't last & sure enough we start hearing about "his groin!" SPARE ME! Where's the vomit emoticon on this thing?
***Pts to defend - Novak vs. Nadal:
ReplyDeleteUSA HC... 135 - 405
Clay.... 2500 - 3900
Grass... 2000 - 720
USA HC... 540 - 3000
Rest of sn. 1880 - 760
He could lose #1 for a couple wks in the Spring. Wimbl. is a huge test. If Novak stays #1 after Wimbl., he s/b fine the rest of the yr.***
This is the unfortunate consequence of success; so many pts to defend! WHO else but Novak in the history of the game can win 3 majors & 6 Masters in '15, have so much to defend, but = w/ 2 major wins (a USO final) & 4 Masters, he dropped to #2 by one match to Murray (Wimbl.) in '16 after the YEC! I've been saying > pts need t/b given for Major wins after that travesty! Now Rafa's going to pay w/ Nole's only real test is defending Wimbl.! Taking AO '20 was huge & put him back on top of the game!
***Novak Djokovic's '10-19 Rec.:
Australian Open: 54 wins / 4 losses
Roland Garros: 52 wins / 9 losses
Wimbledon: 57 wins / 5 losses
US Open: 53 wins / 6 losses
ATP Finals: 31 wins / 9 losses
Overall: 627 wins / 100 losses
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Nadal most likely gets #20 in Paris & w/ a good draw like last yr. can surpass him in NY. Novak'll have something to say in London & NY. Draws will become > & > important. Stormy weather to come for the Fed Fans. Roger'll have a chance again in Wimbl. Damn interesting yr. '20.
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No one dominates any major the way Rafa does in RG, there's no ??ing that. But who comes in 2nd? They're a few nice candidates here:
- Djokovic @ the AO: 8 titles, unbeaten in the semis/finals, &'s 13-1 vs his 4 biggest rivals since his 1st title "down under"
- Federer @ Wimbl.: 8 titles (rec.), won 5 titles in a row, made 7 str. finals, & won over 100 matches in total
Biggest hole: Lost 4 finals vs his 2 biggest rivals; 3 to Djokovic
- Sampras @ Wimbl.: 7 titles, unbeaten in the finals, & won 7/8 Wimbl.'s btwn '93-00
Biggest hole: Federer broke his titles rec.
- Borg @ the FO: 6 titles, unbeaten in the semis/finals, finished career w/ 28-match win streak, & lost only one match from his sophomore yr. onward
Biggest hole: Nadal has since essentially smashed all his RG recs.
-- All great candidates, but I think I might go w/ Pete @ Wimbl. Excluding Rafa @ the FO, no player, at least in OE, was > of a "sure thing" to win any major than Sampras was @ Wimbl. in his hey-day. His game mixed w/ the surface was a match made in heaven that turned him into an unbeatable machine.***
I have to give it to Borg; won 6 FO's in 8 yrs & only lost to 1 person, A. Panatta!
***It's clearly Djokovic that is most dom. now (outside of Rafa). He's never lost in a SF or a Final @ his pet Slam, going 8-0. His rec. vs his rivals & challengers is also off the charts.***
***Who is the HC GOAT- Djokovic vs Federer?
ReplyDeleteHC slam wins- Djokovic 11, Federer 11
HC slam finals- Djokovic 16, Federer 14
HC slam semis- Djokovic 19, Federer 25
HC Masters- Djokovic 25, Federer 22
- I'd prob. go w/ Djokovic @ this pt., but it's very close. It's prob. one of the last X's it c/b a serious discussion. It's pretty much a guarantee t/b Djokovic by the end of his career.
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Fast HC's - Sampras
Slow HC's - Djokovic
Overall HC's - Fed?
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Hard courts H2H: Djokovic- 20 (+WO) –18
•Outdoor: Djokovic- 14–13
•Indoor: Djokovic- 6 (+WO) –5
•GS Djokovic- 7-4 (AO 3-1, USO 3-3), GS F 1-1
•WTF Djokovic- 3 (+WO) -3, WTF F 2 (+WO) -0
•Masters Djokovic- 8-6
•MM Federer- 4-2
•DC Federer- 1-0
•All Finals Djokovic- 9 (+WO) -7
- AO Wins %: Djokovic 90.4%, Fed 87.2%
- USO Wins %: Nole 86.7%, Fed 86.4%
- All GS hard %: Nole 88.6%, Fed 86.8%
- All hard %: Nole 84.2%, Fed 83.5%
+ Nole 2 > slams finals & 3 > Masters titles. Fed 1 > WTF title.
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Djoker’s case. Djoker achieved as much in a shorter per. of X. Djoker was only 32 when he bagged his 11th HC slam, whereas Fed was 36. Djoker has been >er in Masters’ events as well. These 2 things give Djoker a very strong case.
Fed’s case: Fed’s streaks were incredible on HC's. He won 5 str. USO titles & made 6 str. finals. That’s remarkable. He also owns the longest HC winning streak; an amazing 56 str. Nobody's in the same universe for cons. matches won. The next best streak is 36, which is also held by Fed. He also owns the WTF rec. Fed also defended a slam title twice @ the AO & 4 X's @ the USO. Djoker never defended a title @ the USO.
-To me, Fed’s peak was >er. But Djoker was great for a longer period of X & he achieved as much in a shorter period of X. Djoker has now won a HC slam in 9 out of his last 10 seasons. That is truly remarkable.
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The pt. is to show how quickly things can turn around. When Nole finished his Nole Slam, it appeared as though he's going to overtake everyone in just 2 yrs. But he basically laid an egg.***
That is so ridiculous! A player can't win them all; = Fed or Nole! Djokovic had a great run from '14-16! There was bound to be a crash! His arm was already giving him trouble that summer before the USO in '16! We see how Rafa has gone up & down w/ his body & play! If anything Nole's had the least amt. of trouble & has just about caught both Fedal = though they had a significant lead & were beating him in yrs past! You should know this already!
***Fed, AO GOAT, til '19 Final won his 6 titles beating only one...
- Djokovic... He won 8 AO beating top 3 players 8 X's on 6 tourns:
'08 #1 Fed
'11 #2 Fed
'12 #2 Nadal
'13 #3 Murray
'15 -
'16 #3 Fed, #2 Murray
'19 #2 Nadal
'20 #3 Fed
Nadal... He won only 1 AO & he won one top 3 match:
'09 #2 Fed
Federer: He won 6 AO titles, & beat only 1 top 3 player when he won his 1st title. In meanX, he hasn't beaten any top 3 players, winning title, for 15 fk'n yrs...
'04 #3 Ferrero
'06 -
'07 -
'10 -
'17 -
'18 -***
***Sec. of Def. Esper didn't see the intelligence that Trump "saw." Given that the he receives that info before the president, I'd say said intelligence does not exist.***
ReplyDeleteObviously there's no real intelligence on the subject, the admin. keeps changing the reasoning for killing the guy! They're all FOS & I'm > disgusted w/ the Reps around him allowing this to continue! He'll be gone soon & they'll have to clean up the mess eventually!
***I truly hope we can get a decent Rep. like Mattis as president. If Trump loses to a Democrat, the right side is going to revolt @ this pt. Party lines are killing this country. It's X to shake hands across the aisle again.***
That isn't possible b/c it was the Rep. voters who started punishing their own w/ primary challenges that stripped their top pols! The Dems have nothing to do w/ the people who believe "compromise" is a dirty word; that's all on them not the Dems who are always trying to make deals w/ those animals in DC!
***Which is why we need a decent Rep. to reform the party as much as possible. They have gone extremist right & it's forcing extremist left parties into action. Make America great? More like make Americans hate each other.***
What decent Reps are you talking about? The ones I used to have respect for are lying Sacks of shit themselves; esp. that wimp, hypocrite Lindsey Graham! That a-hole excoriated Clinton for his deeds, but for some strange reason, he'a all up in Trump's ass allowing him carte blanche! Most people believe Trump must have something on him since he's president & has access to all recs! Graham was one of the people who called Trump crazy before elected! He thinks Trump has become sane of late? Fk, this country is in serious trouble & prob. irredeemable after having such scum as a leader!
***To me the whole pt. of sitting on impeachment was to make a statement that whatever would go on in the Senate's a fraud so we're not going to let you officially comment. Ever.
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But the Dems are asking for Bolton & Mulvaney people who everyone knows would testify vs Trump & say they're opposed to all his policies on Ukraine. So people know what they will say! Brad Parscale would say Trump & he were planning to put Ukraine dirt in campaign ads in swing states.***
You're kidding? Truth & facts make no diff. w/ these a-hole! The Mueller report was damning, but it was seriously made out t/b some fake doc. & dismissed! Mueller himself didn't help the situation by acting like a milk-toast allowing Rep. scum to distort his work product! His staff had t/b livid!
***Nancy Pelosi has announced the Impeachment Managers:
Adam Schiff
Jerry Nadler
Hakeem Jeffries
Zoe Lofgren
Val Demings
Jason Crow
Sylvia Garcia
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Trump does not deny he wanted investigations of Biden’s Burisma & crowdstrike. So he wants witnesses that are about his motive for doing so. So that’s why he wants Hunter Biden called. Accused people are allowed to call people who help their motivation. Explain their motivation! It’s like when someone admits to any crime, but says they are justified so therefore it wasn’t a crime! - - OMG, #PresidentPelosi is trending on Twitter. When do Dems plan on impeaching Pence?***
I've been saying the same thing to myself He's as culpable as any of them going along w/ the sleaze!
***“Today, GAO issued a legal decision concluding that the OMB violated the law when it withheld approx. $214 M appropriated to DOD for security assistance to Ukraine...”***
***People talk about Bloomberg’s & Buffets taxes, but they don’t talk about their Soc. Sec. checks.***
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing how some of these old fks w/ $$ up the wazzoo actually file & receive Soc. Sec.! I still remember seeing Reagans tax return where he got SS along w/ his Presidential pension! These rich a-holes are cleaning up while complaining about "welfare queens" & people on "food stamps!"
***Rich people paid into Soc. Sec. They just need to pay > in, not to fail t/b paid. The surest way to lose it's to make receiving it contingent on who someone is rather than on what they did or did not pay in.***
...You only get benefits if you sign up for it & I can't imagine pulling up in my limo to sign up for that meager amt.! It's insane & I don't GAF someone made a contribution! I make contributions to charities all the X & I don't necessarily take anything, including their gifts of a t-shirt or candy! I do > by not being so mercenary!
***I've been to a ton of protests since Trump was elected. I don't think most of them move the needle. This close to the elections, I think the best thing is to vote him out.***
Regard< if this is thought of as a meaning< exercise, it isn't to me! It was very important to @ least have on the rec. that Trump's & his admin. are shady AF & needed t/b "checked!" He shouldn't be able to get away w/ murder, pretty much lying to the American people daily! From day one he's flaunted history, precedent, & common sense while thumbing his nose at the Const./flag; you know, the one he shame! I'm old, retired, &'ll just observe these fools as they destroy democracy as we know it! I don't need to care or live in a society that would condone taking immigrant babies out of the arms of mothers only to put them in cages; some proved to have died! We have no high ground after that; totally blown off & not = acknowledged! That's a fk'n shame! Muslim travel bans are thwarted only by the courts since cons. think that's how we should handle things w/ terrorist; just stop all Muslims from traveling! We're such a-holes & a reckoning will come! This kind of autocracy will blow up in all of your fk'n faces! Get ready for reestablishment of internment camps, experimenting on minorites, & in gen. being typical white supremacist! Have a great life if you survive this undermining of democracy!
***"Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response" - As it improvises its way thru a public health crisis, the US has never been < prepared for a pandemic.***
Color me shocked! We're going to prob. deal w/ Trump's incompetent admin. of the country for decades to come! Hillary did everything she could to build up the State Dept., while Pompeo has demoralized them beyond saving as they're currently running! Trump & his people have systematically tried to elim. or cripple every initiative from Obama so if it all goes to shit, we have no one else to blame but ourselves! I'm so done after watching that despicable Senate embarrass themselves during this impeachment farce too! If we can find millions who find this perfectly acceptable, we're all done! Think up any possible disaster & Trump's made it possible!
***But surely Trump would have the best dentures in the world? His "mush mouth" can't possibly be him having trouble w/ loose dentures.***
When Trump says "best, bigger," & other superlatives, we all can call "BULLSHIT" right away! Each of these so called experts have been found t/b incompetent, corrupt, or working against the best interest of the people! Systematically we have this "Manchurian Candidate" in the OVAL Office weakening our interests in the world & no one seems to GAF! I guess I can kick back & not GAF as well if the people seem to feel this is ok! I'm just so DONE! We are so fk'n DUMB I can't stand it!
***Stop making it sound like Trump animus' all due to partisanship. It's about decency, truth, honesty, morals, ethics, the rule of law, democracy, unity & the Const.***
ReplyDeleteThey always have to come up w/ a reason not to agree w/ them; partisanship, Hillary/Obama holdover, or part of the Deep State! ...It's outrageous how past presidents make one mistake & are condemned by Reps for all X, but Trump can lie w/ impunity, betray his oath of office daily, & among other things it's just no big deal!
***...It's still one of the things that frustrates me the most b/c it kills any reasonable discussion.***
Reasonable? lol! Words like reasonable, compromise, & facts mean nothing to these people!
***I see all the Trumptards ran 500 mph to me...***
...I wonder what Reps will do when Trump's gone? No one else can act like that much of an A-hole & get away w/ it! Each X someone tries it's a colossal fail!
***I hate Trump. But I support Reps.***
Taking this stance makes them feel they're absolved of any of the things Trump's doing! ...This w/b like Germany trying to overcome the reign of Hitler after he ran things so brilliantly; "yeah I went there!" ...Trump calls his loser admin. the best of the best as they systematically trash depts, shake the credibility of others, & always make sure to pass the buck onto "the haters!"
Like it shouldn't matter he blew over $3M on his SB party charged to us! His frequent trips to his private golf courses instead of staying home or going to Camp David b/c he considers them "dumps!" This man says this stuff & Reps don't seem to GAF! They couldn't find anything right about Obama w/ his education & ability to speak the English language, but they don't mind someone lying to their faces every single day! We're FK'd!
***Trump's not a good president. But from what I’m seeing the Reps have chosen him & the Dems can’t find an answer.***
I'll have to agree w/ that! The Dems have gotten weaker w/ every election cycle! Reps are "working" all the angles; = if it means making up shit as they go along! The reason Pelosi ripped up the copy of the SOTU was b/c so much of it was BS & everyone knew it! Invoking the faux outrage due to the meaningful people mentioned in it was typical deflection! The poor Dems have a fatal flaw & they keep making this huge mistake; assuming "the people" are smarter & they'll see thru the BS! Nope, we're a nation of fk'n idiots who complain about neg. politics, but reward the dirtiest campaigns! That proves we're all FOS & I'm glad t/b a senior so I won't have to deal w/ you a-holes for much longer who think things are honky-dory!
***...Makes me want to re-read Al Franken's, "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot." I remember that book being mildly amusing, but don't really remember any details from it other than what a hypocrite Rush was bashing people on welfare on his radio show = though he had used it in the past.***
It was funny enough just to pt. out the failings & foibles of such an a-hole as Rush; same w/ Bill O'Reilly! He can make $$ to his dying days by making fun of those lowlifes! Check out how Al made a fool of Bill @ a Forum yrs ago! Al just pointing out pomposity & mistakes of Bill O'! One of the biggest was Bill gave himself and that tacky show "Current Event" "A Peabody" instead of "A Polk" that it was! How that man can say w/ a str. face "I made a mistake" when he excoriates others for the least lit'l bit of a problem! I think Al should've held onto his Senate seat & m/b run again & be reelected! It bothers me that Dems are so easily shamed out of office when Reps could GAF & you need security to escort them out eventually! I think that'll happen w/ Trump! He won't give up that chair so easily! He thinks he owns it & he certainly has w/ Rep. complicity! End rant!
***I use emoticons for the many and reserve reason for the few!***
ReplyDeletePeople w/ no defense usually deflect not so masterfully by commenting on that, punctuation, spelling, & the like! It's unfortunate we have so many such dense people, but that's why we're in this plight! Not sure how the US can come back from this embarrassment! People just haven't a clue the damage been done to our democracy!
***Dems wouldn't have removed Clinton for the same charges.***
But it was nowhere near as heinous a crime! Reps turned the country upside down for over 2 yrs b/c a man lied about a "hummer" outside his marriage! That was about it & a-holes like Lindsey Graham c/b quoted back in the 90's preaching about principle & had t/b done! It's been 2 decades so he lost his principles when McCain died! His conscience was buried then in that coffin prob. & he strapped on his kneepads! I'm disgusted w/ all Reps & there's prob. nothing they can do to redeem themselves in my eyes after allowing children to die in dog cages while under our care! These people weren't illegally crossing, they turned themselves in so that rationale of they were criminals is BS! If ANYONE condones this w/ deflections & excuses I feel sorry for you!
***Mitt Romney’s act of bravery changed nothing & changed everything
By Dana Milbank - Feb. 5, 2020
Every once in a long while a single act of conscience can repair the nation’s soul.
In the dark days of Joe McCarthy’s terror, Sen. Margaret Chase Smith of Maine spoke out against her fellow Rep. when nobody else would.
During Watergate, Sen. Howard Baker of Tennessee uttered the immortal words — of a president from his own party — “What did the president know & when did he know it?”
Now Sen. Mitt Romney joins that honorable pantheon of lawmakers, from John Quincy Adams to John McCain, who put principle over party. In Wed.’s Senate votes ending the impeachment trial, the senator from Utah cast the lone Rep. vote to remove Trump from office — and the lone vote by any senator in history to remove a president of his own party.
...Romney will soon be demonized by Trump & his allies the way Jeff Flake, Bob Corker, Justin Amash & McCain were before him. Romney has long vacillated between Trump critic & Trump enabler, but Wed. dispelled any doubt.
Lead House impeachment manager Adam Schiff, warning that Reps w/b tied to Trump “w/ a cord of steel and for all of history,” had asked: “Is there one among you who will say, ‘enough’?” On Wed., Romney said “enough.”
...Some will say it’s too lit'l too late. Romney’s courage only shows how weak colleagues such as Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Susan Collins (Maine) & Joni Ernst (Iowa) are, acknowledging Trump’s malfeasance while doing nothing about it. But at least one man spoke up.
“Senators, how say you?” the chief justice asked just after 4 p.m. As lawmakers on the right stood, buttoned their jackets & proclaimed “not guilty,” & those on the left rose & proclaimed “guilty,” only Romney broke the pattern. He slipped out before he could incur his colleagues’ wrath.
“Future gens of Americans who look at the rec. of this trial,” Romney said earlier on the floor, “will note merely that I was among the senators who determined that what the president did was wrong, grievously wrong. We are all footnotes at best in the annals of history.”
On Wed., Romney lit a single candle. But as long as there is a Flake, or a Corker, or a McCain, or a Romney, there is still hope.***
***Never in my life have I felt pressure to put my hand over my heart during the Nat'l Anthem. - I never did until Obama was elected & "the right" made such a big deal about him not doing it.***
ReplyDeleteWhile Obama was president, everything was made an issue including "EO's," WH visitors, & how often he played golf! I can't tell you how much animus I have towards these hypocrites! They don't = have enough of a conscience t/b embarrassed! The white sheets are left on the beds!
***Also, "BikeHelmet-Gate," "Selfie-Gate." & "MichelleBaresHerShoulders-Gate." I also realized that putting spicy mustard on a burger is unAmerican.***
IIRC the Rep. hierarchy of the House & Senate criticized Obama's kids for getting Sec. Serv. protection going to school! ...I'm just plain disgusted w/ cons.; showing their asses when allowing Trump to go on a vindictive rant @ a pray brkfst recently! Liberal/Dem. support is spread over a spectrum too big to overcome the bigots/a-holes "on the right!"
***I think selfish Bernie should drop out.***
He c/b the best candidate since "Ike," but it's just not happening in this lifeX or the next; a SOCIALIST = winning the nom. of the Dems! All we need is the super liberal rantings of a Socialist like Sanders leading the charge; I'm sorry! ...It's hard to take any of these people seriously when you hear the "whining" & kvetchin' of nonsensical BS!
In my lifeX those anomalies of Carter & Bush 41 only occurred thru extenuating circumstances! Carter had the Iranian hostage crisis to get past with collusion of Reagan/Bush campaign & the terrorists he said he'd never negotiate w/! Bush 41 was just plain weak and was carrying the baggage of the "most corrupt" admin. at the time being Reagan's VP! Even as flawed as Clinton was and so easily slammed, "it was the economy stupid," & 41 was tossed after brk'n his pledge of "no new taxes!" I applauded him @ the X which helped get the economy back on track! Unfortunately that mattered not w/ the troglodytes "of the right!" They punished him w/ rival candidates like Pat Buchanan to rail against him calling Bush, "King George!" It's a recipe for a loss just like Kennedy running against Carter who was also a sitting president! They've threatened it w/ Trump, but might end up in a ditch! Any descension will tip the scales back to the Dems & McConnell can't have that!
***LMAO @ having an impeached President not being an extenuating circumstance to you, & the Iran escalation leading to a passenger airliner & 176 deaths, & 100 brain-damaged soldiers. Trust me, if Sanders wins the nom., it's over for Trump.***
Have you seen Trump's POLLS? I heard they're the >est ever @ 49%! The country has slid so far, I'm not sure it'd help = if they dug up Mother Teresa to run! Reps have a way of attacking ANYONE; = war heroes! McCain's still taking shots from all side due to his one vote to repeal the ACA! These people just don't GAF; in politics you're fair game (along w/ the family)! It's the reason I dumped a Bro; supporting such people was too much! The vindictiveness knows no bounds; = @ the grave's edge!
I just hope some don't end up like "Nader-clones" that helped put "W" in office back in '00! We had Bernie, Jill Stein, Comey, Russians, Facebk., & other evil forces working vs Hillary in '16! It's a wonder it stayed so close if you look @ it later! That woman had been demonized for well over 2 decades & they had the nerve to kvetch about "> invest." was needed! They're all "touched" over there "on the right!"
***IDK if Canadians would want this, but I wish the NFL had a franchise in Canada.***
ReplyDeleteThey've mused about it believe it or not! It was even proposed to include Europe in the league, maybe 2 or 4 teams! The commute is a bitch, but they've been exposed to the game by way of a couple official games we play over there in England every yr.! They do it w/ baseball, basketball, & hockey, but the union & tax situation are making them balk prob!
***Toronto seems like such a natural +ition to me, but I know it's one expensive proposition.
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I've never watched any Olympic tennis. IDK = who won what & when.***
I don't watch much, but try to know! I wasn't aware of Nicolás Massú back '04! It was like, "who TF is he?" Same w/ Puig in '16! What happens to the stars? They're willing to take the spot from a more deserving Am., then drop the ball allowing "nobodies" to take GOLD from their country! I've never been a proponent of allowing pros to invade the Olympics! I didn't like it in B-ball, or Baseball, or Fig. Skating starting in '94 after requalifying! To me that's like giving back virginity to some woman after pushing out 8 kids!
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Congrats KC, NFL SB LIV Chp.! It was in the cards coming back from double digit deficits to swarm back & win by double digits! A very impressive team! - Believe it or not, KC's defense is what came thru for them! W/o them, they certainly wouldn't have won this game! SF stymied the Chiefs for 3 qtrs & it looked bleak before that big play to HILL for 40+ yds! The interceptions were so important to nail this thing down!
***SF was winning 20-10 & Mahomes was playing terribly. SF could've kept milking the clock the rest of the game, letting Monster run it down their throat.***
The game was SF's to take, but decision making went array! They were ripping thru the defense of KC's w/ plays that gained an extra 5-10 yds by just knocking the defender out of the way or running over them! I was concerned the inevitability of the Chiefs to win was in jeopardy, but that bomb to Hill changed it all! They woke up & took over in the last 5 min. of the game! The 49'r coach gave away another game! Clock management & play calling go out the window someX's! This was not the most artistic game, but love the result!
***Mahomes trolling Trump, like I didn't already love him enough...Does Trump = invite teams anymore?***
It winds up being an embarrassment either way! Even Brady who likes Trump didn't make the last visit! Just another reason to dislike Brady for = saying something nice about that a-hole! It figures he's a jerk; always too quiet & letting all concerned assume he's a great guy! At least we know now he's a cheat, liar, & FOS just like his good buddy in the OVAL Office!
***Wait, the NFL made sure KC didn't make it into the Super Bowl last yr., & then let them win it this yr.?***
I m/b a conspiracy nut b/c I do believe the leagues decide these things! Nothing was more shady > that '02 NBA West Conf. series btw the Lakers & Kings! Stein & the rest wanted the Lakers in that final = if they had to cheat to do it! It was shameful & the officiating was criminal! Football playoff games are just as easy to fix; look @ that '18 Conf. game w/ a blatant PI call not acknowledged b/c they didn't want The Saints in the SB! The Rams were the next big thing w/ their QB & running attack! Do we need to say anything about Baseball that hasn't been said on both sides; players being the bigger cheats after seeing what happened in Houston! I used t/b a serious sports fan, but they make it hard w/ the $$, egos, & bad ownership! The Knicks s/b just taken away from that prick, Dolan for malfeasance throwing good $$ after bad!
***Weakest comp. was Navratilova in '82-84. '83 was still bar none the worst yr. in women's tennis history.***
ReplyDeleteIt was hardly Martina's fault that she trained into a level the women had never seen! ...OTTH w/ those 18 single majors, you can't avoid her dom. in doubles acquiring = > of those as #1 for = > wks! How does one overlook 167 singles titles, 177 doubles titles, 59 majors (the last @ age 50 @ USO w/ Bryan Bro), w/ a list of comp. right out of the HOF? She had to overcome & get thru some of the best no matter what any of you say! MN had to battle Court, Evert, BJK, Goolagong early as a kid, then had to get past the next wave w/ Graf, Seles, Sabatini, & a host of other phenoms!
***When Seles was stabbed on-court in Ger., she was owning Graf, big-X, winning convincingly every single H2H.***
People don't like to = think about it, much < talk about it aloud! It was criminal; made worse when the country wouldn't prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law! Monica refused to return to Ger. to testify! What was she to testify to? She was a victim w/ her back turned! An * should def. sit prominently right beside Graf's name w/ a HUGE footnote! I'm no fan of either player, but I can't ignore facts!
***If you look @ Nole's last 4 wins @ W.'14, he was pushed to the brink by Cilic early on B4 Fed took him the distance in the final. In '15, Anderson was on the edge of beating him in the 4th Rd. ...Had he not pulled off the clutch crossct. pass vs both of them, he could've lost both Wimbl. matches. It was that close. No such danger in his last 4 AO wins rel. to these Wimbl.***
Borg was just as much under the gun; > so since he played w/ wood on unforgiving, choppy grass! Champs survive & go on to win the title all the X! Becker in '89 was on the brink early in the USO & if not for a net cord that jumped over Rostagno's racket, Lendl might have an extra major listed in his column!
***Yes, of course & you are right. However, how many of those does Djokovic have in relation to/at AO is the pt. I'm trying to highlight, basically in regards to where his dom. is rel. btw AO & W. ...lets say this ?? was asked B4 the final w/ Djokovic @ W'11.
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Wimbl. IMO is where the Big 3 are closest now. Any of the 3 can defeat the other. Nadal of course w/ the least chance, but a chance nonethe<. Djokovic doesn't really have that threat from them @ AO.***
IMO Nole's main focus was his 2 other rivals, Fedal & few others for the most part! That's why he's so successful playing vs them, catching up @ the end after their advantage early on! Along w/ hurting his shoulder, overplaying up to & including the completion of his Nole-Slam, there were some personal issues going on behind the scenes! I + to the malaise the fact that Fedal was nowhere t/b seen! Murray was the main protagonist making final after final, ult. giving him the #1 ranking @ the end of '16! W/ Djokovic off the tour for the most part 2017-'18, that was when Fedal was allowed to take over the tour! People just keep giving much too much credit to them achieving so much so late in their careers! It helps when 2 other top players are sidelined in Djokoray! ...Some rivalries are > important to the history of the game! Starting w/ Rosewall & Laver, there really isn't anything like what Fedalovic have been able to achieve & overcome!
***Novak's AO goat, but he's doing > @ Wimbl. too. I've a feeling that it's easier for him to win Wimbl. > Australian. Weaker comp. @ Wimbl. Bigger threat is Fed vs whom Novak is fave, m/b Nadal, or some big hitter & server whom he'd solve in BO5. No Thiem in sight, no Zverev, no Medvedev, there's Kyrgios who c/b m/b dangerous.
From '14, which showed t/b Novak's comeback yr. as the boss, he had:
- 4/6 titles @ Wimbl. - W W 3R QF W W
- 4/7 titles @ AO - QF W W 2R 4R W W
Hope Wimbl. '20 will prove me correct.***
***Henin was one of many quality players Serena was dealing w/. You have 7 X major winner Henin, Clisters, 5 X major winner Sharapova, Venus w/ 7 majors, Davenport, Capriati, Hingis & so on. ...I just give it to Serena cause she was able to deal w/ so many gens & come out w/ 23 slams.
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No doubt, Serena had amazing comp. until Henin retired in '08. But until recently (when she's lost every major final), she had very weak comp. Azarenka & Li Na were very good players, but only in spurts. Serena didn't dom. tennis until after her toughest comps retired. Serena won her 1st major in late '99. From then thru '08, she won 9 majors, Venus won 7, & Henin won 7. Serena hasn't had any strong comp. since '08 as "fluke" players like Ivanovic, Schiavone, Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, & Ostapenko have been able to win majors w/ no one else bringing anything remotely close to dom. when Serena doesn't win. In '17-18, 8 diff. women won those 8 majors. Players like Safina, Wozniacki, Ivanovic, Jankovic, & Ka. Pliskova reached #1. Outside of Serena, post-'08 has been an era of no all-X > players.
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While Fed still has more majors, finals appearances & QF's or >er, Novak's rec. in GS's since the '07 FO's mind boggling.
In the 51 majors since then (he missed the '17 USO due to injury):
17 major wins
9 major finals defeats (has been in finals in just over 1/2 he's played)
11 SF's defeats
8 QF's defeats
So Novak has gotten to the semis or >er in 37 of the 51 slams he's played. He's gotten to @ least the QF's 45 of 51 majors.
His overall rec. in majors since the '07 FO is 270-34.
270 wins & 34 losses. %? An incredible 89%.
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"Djokovic's the best of the "Big 3" &'ll end up w/ most GS titles," says former world #1 Tracy Austin. He captured his 17th GS title in Aust. earlier this month, leaving him 2 behind Nadal & 3 short of Fed in the all-X totals. ...“At the end of the day I think it’s going t/b Novak,” Austin said.
“First of all, he’s not had a lot of wear-and-tear so I think he has another 4 yrs." ...Austin also believes that Djokovic got the toughest deal out of all 3 of them, & that only accentuates his achievements = >.
“The fact of the matter is this is the young guy who had to breakthru & every single major that he won, he’s had to play vs Roger & Rafa. Roger had a kind of staggered start where he got a couple in before the other 2 got involved in that 3-way trifecta. I think that’s been toughest on Novak and at the end of the day I think it’s Novak who’s going to have the most.”
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Sampras wasn't as complete a player as Novak is on all surfaces, but he was the undisputable leader of his gen. That never happened in Djokovic's case. He shared his dom. w/ Fedal & = Murray. 2011 on is mostly the Djokovic era. He didn't really share dom. Nadal did well, but Djokovic overall did far >er & was on top > often. Fed was almost never on top in that span & managed only 4 slam total (vs Djokr's 16) & no YE #1's so forget him. Djokovic's as clearly the best player of the last decade just as Fed was the decade before that, w/ Nadal the obvious 2nd in both cases.
The only way you can say Sampras was > dom. is the 6 str. YE #1's, but by that logic Sampras was = > dom. > Fed & we know that isn't true @ all. Djokovic was #1 in '11, '12, '14, '15 convincingly & narrowly missed in both '13 & '16. Yet both yrs were far >er yrs > Sampras's '96 & '98, both which he ended #1 w/ relatively mediocre yrs due to very poor comp.***
***Sampras was >er on grass, but no FO....***
ReplyDeleteNot = a FO final! He did defeat 2 FO champs on his way to a SF & 2 QF, but that was it! At the X we were ready to overlook the fact that Pete not only never won a FO, he never = played a final!
***Fed & Berdych had no problem w/ the blue clay whatsoever @ Madrid in '12. But I guess the shotmakers can handle these types of surfaces >er > the baseline pushers & gazelles who rely so much on defense & running everything down like Nadovic.***
I rather enjoyed the blue clay! It wasn't as homogenized a court & everyone knew from day one Nadovic had no chance of winning! I think Nole held on for one extra day to secure his top ranking over Nadal who had been upset the day before! If they expected either to return, that blue stuff had t/b plowed under the very next day after the Chp match! Winning it helped give Fed the #1 ranking for a while after taking another Wimbl. in '12! Unfortunately for him, Nole was able to snatch back #1 in Nov. & retained it over the dead per. of the off-season!
***Yup, the pushers & defenders are always crying about surfaces that don't allow them to just run all day.
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I often read a few of Nadal's detractors saying that unlike Fed & Djokr, Nadal didn't have an era of his own. Fed's often cited to've '04-09 & Djokovic from '11-16, w/ Nadal making hay during the 1 yr. gap btw those 2 periods. This then begs the ??, does that not mean then that Nadal had the toughest X of the big 3? He had to deal w/ Fed during the '04-09 per., an ATG during the ht. of his powers, & then had to deal w/ Djokovic from '11-16 per., another ATG during the ht. of his powers also.***
Poor Wafa; just a victim of his own >ness! NOT! I guess saying his comp. was tougher when Nole had to deal w/ the universal & nauseating love of Fedal! Get real; Djokovic is the one that had it tough from DAY 1!
***Most fanatics clue<. First they say Fed's a joke who played in a joke era where he racked up count< Slams vs scrubs. Then they say Nadal & Djokovic are the true all X >s despite the fact that they both are also winning their Slams in an =ly pathetic era of scrubs!***
Today's players aren't scrubs; they just can't finish when they're up on the elites! The courts & rackets have made the top players almost unbeatable; hence the rec. of them owning this era of pro tennis! These are some > players being called "also-rans," being led by the likes of Cilic, Murray, Wawrinka, Thiem, Zverev, Raonic, Kei, Dimitrov, & Tsitsipas! If not for Fedalovic, these people would have > majors listed under their names instead of end< "runner-ups!"
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***Wow! Osmond's a prev. World Chp. & she won't be @ Worlds either b/c she quit right after winning her 1st title, & decided not to confirm it the next yr.***
Sorry, but this is about not embarrassing themselves! Who are we kidding? These past champions might get humiliated w/ these new kids jumping like BEANS!
***I'm very happy to hear that Mariah had a great skate @ the Nat'ls. I hope that carries into Worlds.***
Mariah was quite impressive! Emotionally the crowd was w/ her w/ many feeling teary-eyed over her performance, but I knew Liu would blow her out of the water j/b of her jumping ability! Liu's prob. the only lady who w/b able to compete vs the Russians & Japanese in the future! Too bad she's too young to go compete abroad now!
***Yes, Liu & Kihira can compete vs the Russian ladies. Liu w/b age eligible in '22 (m/b '21?) & give them a run for their $$. ...In any case the US ladies are looking pretty good right now. I always liked Mariah Bell, but her jump inconsistency used to drive me crazy. She's having a > season.***
***The way I see it is: Trump should do a quick 1-min. pressie @ 8:00 p.m. forced on all news & 3 "big" channels.
ReplyDeleteStates apology. Walks off. End of story.
Totally blow the minds of, well, damn near everyone, lol.
I like conjuring up shit like this in mind.***
You'll only see that in your head! Has he apologized for ANYTHING? We've had dead children thru his immigration policy! He's insulted Gold Medal families! He's dug up McCain's body to insult him again & again! I keep asking "what does this man have to do for these people to finally say 'enough?'" So far = being a traitor to his country hasn't been a prob. w/ the Rep. hierarchy! There was a panel of Reps from the MW supporting Trump! The commentator asked a leading ?? to get what we thought w/b a consensus answer; "no Trump can't shoot someone on 5th Ave. & get away w/ it! That isn't what she said! W/ my mouth agape the bitch said, "I'd have to find out the circum. before judging!" From then on it was confirmed "most, if not all Reps are bent AF!"
***RNC scumbags sending out fake US Census Questionnaires - The official looking envelope & forms are being sent by the RNC as a means to solicit info & $$.***
Reps have been pulling this shit for yrs! It's pt.'d out again & again by the MSM, but the attn. span of the normal Am. citizen is about the size of a gnat so they get away w/ it! It culminated in '16 using an outside country, Russia to assist in stealing the presidency! Nothing's happened to them; if anything they're being rewarded! Trump's polls have gone up w/ him playing the victim while berating others, firing professionals, & punishing his detractors! When will it all end? Being a Sr., I just can't GAF any>! They've worn me down w/ their evil that's only gotten worse over the yrs!
***None of the Dems, except for Buttigieg, seems t/b saying anything about the deficit. Most of the Rep. plans will make it worse.***
It's old news that people aren't hearing any>! Reps rant about deficits only when they aren't in power! It didn't matter that Obama dropped deficits while Trump's budgets have increased it exponentially! The Nat'l Debt was actually going down under Clinton, but "we couldn't have that!" We decided to go to Reps who kvetched about a hummer in the OVAL Office over > important issues! We're in dire strs. under their so called leadership & we have no one else to blame but ourselves! They get away w/ despicable practices and are rewarded later! That's on all of us!
***Godell's EASILY the worst NFL Comm. ever,the most corrupt hands down. Under Goodell, the days of blowout SB's are over w/. ...all the others have come close & down to the wire just like he wants them t/b since he knows fans will lose interest & tune in to something else if the game is a blowout.***
Was it Goodell who ran to the basement a few yrs ago to turn out the lights of a near blowout w/ Balt. over SF? The Harbaugh Bowl prob. was going t/b over by the 3rd qtr. but for a blackout that lasted over 1/2 hr.!
***The conspiracy nuts just can’t seem to stay in the conspiracy forum.***
Well most conspiracies are going on in Trump's empty head! Everything & everyone's against him right? He really should find a doctor to deal w/ his sense of victimhood; not exactly the only rich a-hole who feels he's entitled to "everything!" Fk. him & his screwball supporters! It w/b a real wonder of our Const. & resilient resolve to recover from such a corrupt admin.!
***Trump wants to shorten Roger Stone's recommended sentence: Justice Dept. ..., Overruling Its Prosecutors
President Trump had complained that the recommendation of 7-9 yrs in prison for his former adviser & longX friend was a “miscarriage of justice.”***
What diff. does it make how long he's sentenced? Trump'll prob. pardon him w/i 5 min. on Twitter!
***New Campus Sexual Misconduct Rules Will Tackle Dating Violence - It's not really right b/c there's a lot of crap in there that makes it harder to pursue allegations.***
ReplyDeleteW/o = studying the problem, we c/b assured it revolves around drinking! That hasn't changed since I was in college 100 yrs ago! So called adult women put themselves in jeopardy every X they think they can outdrink a fratboy! Kids aren't any smarter > they were when I was a kid!
***Sorry, but this is another one of those comments that suggest women need to take responsibility for men's behaviour.***
I know it's gonna sound that way, but I see it on the news all the X! In college towns, students are getting hammered nightly & you have to expect consequences of behaving like frat boys on the loose! There are some irresponsible & bad people out there! I prob. overstressed myself in those days by trying t/b everyone's conscience when going out! It's not a lot of fun, but someone had to look out for the idiots who lose control!
***...Enabling behavior is a problem, but only follows on from it actually happening.***
In a narrow misogynist way, I can say the "enabling" begins & ends w/ most women! They could control this country if they wanted to, but in their own minds, the patriarchal way of life should still prevail! I'm still appalled it was women who actually put Trump in office! Again I ask the eternal ?? outside of a patriarchal ideal, "why do women hate other women?" No one can explain to me why it is w/ US women in the majority, few women are in real power due to the enabling of women who accept it! Changes could've begun w/ Hillary, but women chose a loathsome creature to run things over one of their own! I just don't ever want to hear from women who kvetch about a lack of representation when it is them who keep reelecting old fks like McConnell, Graham, Grassley, & other senile fools again & again!
***White women are the ones who voted for Trump so I think to just say women hate other women discounts the fact that black women were the highest demographic to vote against Trump. Why do white women hate minority women m/b a >er ???***
But white men aren't the ones griping! They're satisfied w/ their bigoted representation by the Rep. party! I know how bad it sounds that I'm blaming women, but they are the ones most affected by cons. policies that go after them, their reprod. rights, & maintaining glass ceilings! In essence women are voting against their own interest & they're going to pay for it! I'll def. laugh in the faces of women kvetchin' about how things are going when they're the ones responsible for their own plight!
***The women who voted for Trump did it largely b/c of abortion. And they're getting what they want too. Some women believe their place is @ a man's side so anything that makes it harder for their man, makes it harder for them. So they support anti-women policies; are quite happy about it. These people won't be bitching about how things are going. They'll be delighted.
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Dems are now too tough on crime. If a crime is not a death sentence crime the person being sentenced shouldn’t die just in prison b/c they're older! It’s not fair or right.***
It's > of a reflex action due to Rep. accusation of Dems being soft on crime! Dems are always put on the defensive by Reps b/c they're just weak! Their biggest problem is they think the populous' smart enough to see thru LIES! They're NOT!
***...I don't want to usurp or squash the so-called pro-life movement as much as I want to modify it to make it more comprehensive. Right now it stands up for the right to life of the unborn which is a good thing to do, but as I've pointed out, there are > lives @ stake > just those of the unborn. Women have an = right to life & a right t/b informed of the >er risk they face by carrying a pregnancy to term. The "pro-life" movement needs to live up to its name & include women among those it stands up for. That would turn it into a pro-choice movement that would not want to see state legis. which interferes w/ the freedom of women to seek an early abortion.***
ReplyDeleteThat's too complicated for cons. & Reps! They just want to say they're "pro-life," but forget their bloodlust endorsing death penalties for jaywalking, having a broken tail light, or driving in the wrong neighborhood! We're all full of shit when @ 1 X we might've led the way, but w/ Trump & his weak Congress allowing him carte blanche, the moral high ground moved on! It ain't = in this hemisphere!
***Bloomberg's considering Hillary Clinton as his running mate, says Matt Drudge.***
It gives him some standing & gravitas over & above being just a billionaire & mayor of NY! The same was done for Obama over 10 yrs ago! He had no standing no matter how popular he was w/ world leaders, it was her & the Clinton name that gave the Obama Admin. some credibility! I'm not saying it'll happen; heaven knows both are ancient, but I'd vote for that ticket! The Repukes would freak out & go into Clinton-mode & look just as ridiculous.
***If that's the ticket, watch for news reports of "Stop, Frisk, & Throw them in the wall" and the latest body count for Hillary.***
Duh, of course RepuKlicans have already featured it in their "talking points" like they really GAF! Back in the day I'm sure they were giving Bloomberg kudos & all kinds of support in being a tough mayor bringing crime statistics down! I can hear Bill O'Reilly & Sean Hannity cheering him on; PLEASE! RepuKlicans are so hypocritical!
***Things m/b getting very bad for > 1100 ex-justice dept. officials to call for Barr to resign.***
So much for another con.'s rep.! I never cared for Barr way back when & thought his credibility wasn't that sterling j/b he was gruff! Being an a-hole when being ??ed about issues doesn't give someone credibility & standing! His behavior the last sev. yrs shows he's no > a Trump hack! If he had some respectability, it's been lost as he brazenly does the bidding of his lord & master, King Trump! I'm embarrassed for him & the country b/c the whole world's watching this comedy show go on in the JD! Our standing in the world is in ?? when it looks like we can't = handle open & shut cases w/ admitted perjury & obstruction of justice! We're sad & pathetic & I'm not sure when we'll get over it! The repercussions of the period will stick to us for yrs to come; the foolish supporters of this shit just have no idea or care it seems!
***Now that's serious. Do they want Trump to resign too or they're going to impeach him again?***
Even if an exercise in futility, The Dems were obligated to impeach that a-hole! If they knew the Senate wouldn't = consider it, both sides embarrassed themselves! We're a colossal joke to the world & Trump feels empowered t/b = > dictatorial, openly expressing his wrath & retaliating vs his believed enemies!
***Corruption has risen to the highest levels of gov't & isn't afraid of performing acts of corruption openly. Barr's an obese blowhard stooge.***
***Monfils: Great to peak in your career @ the ripe old age of 33 winning Montpellier & Rotterdam B2B.***
ReplyDeleteThat's where it's been going since "The Big 3" have kept pace w/ one another as they age! The entire tour is reminding me of the era I began playing the game; the 70's vets were the best w/ Borg the only real phenom teenager! ...W/ the women it was the same thing, the vets were the best w/ a single teenager like Austin making a name for herself very early on! Today's tour is rapidly aging = w/ the young'uns like Tsitsipas, Khachanov, Shapo, Rublev, & Medvedev! They seemingly have been waiting to take over, but somehow Fedalovic continue on! I really think a brkthru has to happen this yr.; maybe Thiem in Paris or Medvedev in NY! I think Wimbl. will still go to a vet = if it means Milos gets back to a final!
***...There is a good chance Djokovic might end up w/ the most slams. And then again, there is a chance he won't.***
Some are easily frustrated w/ people who believe in that new invention for morons, "alt-facts!" I call them either delusions or fk'n lies, but that's me! ...I give Fed all due credit & proclaimed him the GOAT yrs ago, but that's the way it is! X has moved on & 2 players look to overtake him before he has a chance to retire! That's got t/b weighing on him!
***I have to put Fed slightly ahead of Nole as the HC GOAT. My main argument is that Fed despite having won the exact same amt. of HC GS's, both @ 11 have nearly perfectly balanced results btwn AO & USO! (6 @ AO & 5 @ USO, not to mention his incredible winning streak @ the tourn. in his "peak" days from '04-08!) Novak's results btwn these 2 particular tourns. looks > skewed in comparison & it's not only b/c of 8 vs just 3. When it comes to overall victories, it's also how many X's he lost @ the USO final compared to how many X's he won them! I mean like he reached both USO & AO 8 X's! He's still undefeated @ AO finals w/ the perfect rec., whilst @ the USO, the "HC GOAT" has lost 5 finals vs 3 won all of a sudden! This IMO hurts his case vs Fed > anything! ...From now on he needs to win every final he reaches @ the USO & preferably by @ least tying Sampras/Connors/Fed w/o ever losing it! ...Djokovic's the HC GOAT & = > so, was ever since @ least '15!
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Federer era: '04-early '10
- Nadal era: '08-13
- Djokr era: '11-16 or early '16. I think that's about it.***
This is why it's hard for me to give Nadal props for being "The GOAT!" Even when he passes Fed, his resume's spotty! His dom. era was so broken up, all we have to do is look @ wks @ #1! He was able to finally get to 200 wks recently after all these yrs, but it's cons. wks I look @ & Nadal's name isn't in the top 10! No matter how well he's played, he's never really been able to hold that top rank for any length of X! He had a few good Fall seasons, but for the most part he used up all his skill, energy, & luck early; esp. during the clay seasons! He just couldn't keep it up; sans '08, '10. & '13! That was his best stretch, but unfortunately for him Fedovic were able to supplant him @ #1, Djokovic owning him in '11!
***HC No1e vs Fed
HC slams: 11-11
HC Slams F: 16-14
WTF: 5-6
HC Masters: 25-22
HC MM titles: 17-32
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HC Big (T1) events: No1e (41) > Fed (39)
HC MM events: Fed > No1e
HC Slam W%: 88,6%-86,8%
HC W%: 84,2%-83,5%
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W%: No1e > Fed
HC h2h: 20(21)-18
Outdoor: 14–13
Indoor: 6(7)–5
HC Slams h2h: 7-4
HC h2h Finals: 9(10)-6
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HC h2h: No1e > Fed***
***The Serbian machine has only been #1 every wk. of a yr. in '15 & has "only" been 5 X's YE #1. OTOH, the Spanish gladiator has won 12 RG titles, meaning he's far > consistent defending the RG crown than Djokovic's defending the #1 spot. Djokovic has failed to defend the #1 spot 4X's in his career ('12, '13, '16, '19).***
ReplyDeleteLets not get into a discussion about the top rank here! Nadal's nowhere t/b seen when it comes to cons. wks @ #1! Fedovic have it all over Rafa in that category; cum. #1's his only saving grace over 15+ yrs on the tour!
***They m/b right about Djokovic being >er than everyone else, but they also say Fed's jealous.***
Well I refuse to believe any of these players are saints! You can't get to #1 being everyone's good buddy & nice all the X! I've actually heard Fed get exercised enough w/ an umpire to go "do you know who I am?" card! They all have their moments! Rafa had the nerve to demand people stop cheering for Nole so much @ the ATP Cup last month!
***Nadal's winning % vs Fed's >er @ slams & overall > Djoker's. Nadal also beat >er versions of Fed. Nadal has done > damage to Fed's legacy > Djoker has. Nadal ended Fed's 65 match winning streak on grass (next longest streak is 41, then 23). Nadal also ended Fed's 56 match winning streak on HC's.***
Agreed, but WTF has been going on the last 2 yrs? It was like "Fedal Redux" when Djokoray had their "walkabout/injury" per. starting '17! It was like we went back in X a decade w/ Fed winning the AO over Nadal in 5 sets! Roger followed that up by taking the Sunshine Double of IW/Miami, culm. in a Wimbl. title! How did that happen? Nadal wasn't playing poorly, but went down to the old guy 5 or 6 str. X's! There was no excuse since Rafa didn't have to deal w/ Nole much! I say the dom. over Fed is complete & = in diff. ways! Nadal owned Roger early & = beat him on his fave surfaces; HC & grass! He built quite a H2H lead so = w/ his resurgence, Roger will never catch up! W/ Djokovic, Fed had the early psychological advantage save that '08 AO SF! It took a while, but = w/ all his shot-making skills, Nole found a solution to his attacking game! Roger's only taken 2 irrelevant matches on fast courts of late; Cincy & WTF! Other > that, Nole's owned Roger "lock, stock, & barrel!" He raced past Fed in the H2H; now under .500 vs 2 players! Roger's still the GOAT for the X being, but the next 2 yrs can see a change no one saw coming a few yrs ago!
***Tennis was born relatively recently; '68. That’s only 50+ yrs to compare eras, domination, etc. People forget that prior to the Sampras era, most top players did not play all 4 majors regularly yr. in & yr. out. Of course most players best yrs were “over” by 28/29; just look how that’s been tossed aside by Fedalovic. It’s anybody’s guess if there will next be an era similar to today’s WTA, where there’s a large field comp. for any slam, or if out of the blue somebody is going to step in & slam the door shut.***
It's b/c Fedalovic played most every major over the last decade or so, recs are exclusively owned by them now! Their names are all over ever statistical rec. from the major's lead to wks @ #1 & beyond! At the moment, the only comp. the "BIG 3" have is each other now & how they finish their careers! Fed's pushing it further > either Nadovic w/b able to do > likely due to their grueling styles! But they aren't finished so Fed can hang on for another 5 yrs & it'll do him lit'l to no good; his recs are all going to go by the wayside & be overtaken by his closest rivals!
***I find it interesting that we've actually come full circle in terms of aging. That early decline really only became prevalent in the 80s-00s; in the 70s & B4, players were remaining relevant deep into their 30s, someX's 40s.***
ReplyDeleteWay back when, the speed of the game was nowhere near what it is now! We had older guys w/ beer bellies still hanging around in the top 10! Tennis was > a game of skill > muscle, athleticism, & endurance! These fabulous pts w/ "great gets" that go on for 20+ strokes today was > an anomaly that happened m/b 3 or 4 X's in an entire match! Now it can be seen in the 1st game lasting > 10 min.! I started watching when the seasoned vets were coming to the end of their careers; Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Roche, Ashe, Smith, & Nastase! They were all I really knew about tennis outside of Connors' early dom. when the NG started making a name for themselves; Borg, Vilas, Gerulaitis, & Orantes! W/ sports-medicine the way it is, today's players have a distinct advantage of staying on top = w/ how grueling matches c/b; tech. helping in their rackets, strings, & of course the homogenized courts!
I used to look forward to diff. parts of the season where we could actually muse about "court specialist" & potential upsets! It didn't = happen @ the AO earlier this yr. w/ the NG allowing an "injured & feeble" Federer make it all the way to the SF's! I'm disgusted by the lack of effort to close a match when "also rans" have the ability to beat the top players, but can't finish! What we've seen w/ Fed over the yrs vs Nole losing matches w/ MP is nothing compared to how players "rollover" for Fedalovic @ X's! That just wouldn't have happened in the old days! Back then anyone could beat anyone & you had t/b on guard = if you're Borg on homecourt grass! No one was > vulnerable than him, but he managed 6 str. finals, winning 5 in a row! That's why he's been immortalized by virtue of 8 great seasons! I didn't think that kind of run w/b possible before Federer came along, now Rafa & Nole have there own runs! There's no reason for any of them to actually walk away; = old man Fed! He'll drop & barely hold onto a top 10 ranking due to his absence until Wimbl., but > likely he'll do well & really get somewhere, which s/b shameful to the rest of the tour!
***I think FAA's game is so much fundamentally sound than Tiafoe or Fritz. No slight @ either player, but I don't see either player EVER moving into the top 10 = afterwards the tennis apocalypse (post Big 3).. Do you feel otherwise?***
FAA's frustrating me! He allowed a doubles' specialist to take him to the limit in a 3rd set TB & it just shouldn't have happened! He's too passive when in a dom. position & doesn't get into the net enough! He's also one of those people who allows a high lob to "play him" by hitting it in the air! It's hard to hit it w/ conviction which gave Hubert a chance @ a pass saving a MP! You get a lot of this w/ all of the NG'rs really & they're hard to watch for that reason! Why in TF would Medvedev drop a set like that to Sinner 1-6? He ran over him after that, but what's going on inside of these players' heads?
***Yes I agree. He let that high lob give him > difficulty than needed. I'll give Herbert credit. ...However I admire the composure of Felix. It’s almost Sampras like. I'm a FAA fan.
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I like Med's fighting spirit & tenacity. Intelligent player as well.***
But he makes his job so much harder by playing too deep behind the baseline! I haven't watched the losses of late, but the ones I did see had him vulnerable to drop-shots & he allows himself to be put thru wind-sprints tracking down shots! He won't last long playing like that! The decline may have started!
***The #1 spot c/b a boost for Djokovic's motivation.***
ReplyDeleteNole hardly needs motivation! It could all end tmrw! I'm sure he'll give it his all! I was a bit worried @ AO, but Nole found his game & wore down Thiem who worked rather hard to elim. Rafa & Sasha! Thank goodness it caught up w/ him! Nole needed the title > Dom.!
***It's ironic that that was the same argument made by Fed fans some yrs back when Novak & Roger were contesting some Major closely. Fed fans had t/b reminded that Novak wasn't just a pawn in the GOAT race, but had his own stake in it. Everyone except those (of us) invested in the GOAT-race s/b able to say that Dominic "needed" that title > Novak did. All of the Big 3 could afford to give over one, if you look @ it dispassionately.
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Slams won before turning 21:
Nadal 2
Djokovic 1
Federer 0
Slams won since turning 28:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 6
Federer 5
Fed's career is strictly related to age 22-27, while Djokodal won over a longer Xspan. Do Djokodal have a >er longevity than Fed who's always considered the best in this dept.?
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Best by age:
19-22 Nadal (6 slams)
23-26 Federer (9 slams)
27-30 Djokovic (6 slams)
31-34 Djokovic/Nadal (5 slams)
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Tennis IMO is still a young man's game once the "Big 3" run their course. - You are almost certainly wrong ...historic age range will return. If you think that players in their late 20s will mostly be dom. (over either those in their early 20s or those in their 30s), you m/b right. ...Indeed, teenagers - so successful in the 1970s & 1980s were basically crowded out decades ago. Insisting that the age shift's only about the B3 is almost entirely Fed fans seeking excuses for Nadal & Djokovic continuing to dominant. The shift is real & > > them. No doubt, there w/b some reversion to the mean. Indeed, there has already been some.
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We would have a 26 & 23 yo as slam champs if not for Djokovic & Nadal. Thiem @ 25 as well counting the FO since his b'day is in Sept. There's no one over the age of 26 besides the Big 3 that's considered a serious threat @ slams now. Cilic, Raonic, Anderson, Berdych, Tsonga, Wawrinka, Dimitrov, Nishikori, Delpo, Murray, etc. have all fallen off. ...Being fave @ 33/34 is not going t/b the new norm like some here are trying to say. The Big 3 are an anomaly. Thiem won't be dominating the tour @ 33. LOL.
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The B3 are anomalous in being much >er > everyone else, but you need them t/b anomalous in continuing t/b close to their best @ an advanced age & they're not particularly anomalous in that respect. But because they are anomalous in the 1st, you think that they are anomalous also in the 2nd (wrongly). So, you are right that Thiem is rather unlikely to dom. the tour @ 33, but that's b/c Thiem's unlikely to dom. the tour @ any age.
...26 is hardly young for a Slam champ. so of course I'm never going to deny that 26 yo's will always be in prime Slam-winning age. Even 23's a big shift upwards from the past for a 1st-X deep run in a Slam. So, Thiem & Medvedev also illustrate the upward age shift. You are right that younger players have been doing a bit >er in the last yr. or yr. & a 1/2 > they did in the 5-10 yrs prior, but = now, there are 2 teenagers in the top 100. There were X's in the late 1980s when there were 5 teenagers in the top 10. Today, 66 of the top 100 are 25 or >. 32 of them are 30 or >. 6 of them are 35 or older. That is: almost as many of them are 30 or older as are 24 or younger. There have been X's in the last few yrs where there were > 30-somethings > players aged < than 25. 3X's as many members of the top 100 are 35+ as are 19 or younger. Those are very marked shifts from the 1st decade I followed tennis ('86-96).***
***Elo seems t/b 1 of the > popular ratings systems used on this board, esp. by certain Novak apologists. It has been used to determine not only peak level, but also the level of comp. faced by a given player. While I'm not saying the system is total garbage, I thought it'd be interesting to look @ a few anecdotal findings of the system to show just how inherently flawed it is. I'll be looking @ the Big 3 for this. All data from Ultimatetennisstatistics.com
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Feb. 2nd 2004 - 2303
Feb. 3rd 2014 - 2321
Immediately following his respective AOs, Fed of '04 held 2 slams & TMC & was World #1. Fed of '14 had just had his awful '13 season & was now World #8. '14 Fed was considered >er. For YE Elo ratings, let's compare '04 to '14 (3 slams, YEC, & 3 Masters compared to 0 slams, 0 YEC & 2 Masters)
Nov. 22nd '04 - 2420
Nov. 16th '14 -2408
Apparently fairly comparable yrs.
Nadal
Jan. 31st '11 - 2379
Feb. 2nd '15 - 2383
In the former, Nadal had just won 3 slams & was World #1. In the latter, Nadal had just one slam to his name (RG) & was World #3 after being beaten by Berdych @ AO. Let's compare the Nadal that Berdych faced in '15 to the Nadal that Djokovic faced in '12:
Jan. 16th '12 - 2377
Jan. 19th '15 - 2397
Apparently, Berdych faced the stronger Nadal
Djokovic
Sep. 12th '11 - 2522
Jan. 30th '17 - 2516
One of them had just won 3 slams & 5 Masters. The other had 1 slam & 4 Masters to his name, & had j/b bounced by Istomin. In fact, prior to facing Istomin, on Jan. 16th '17, Novak's rating was 2538, >er > it had ever been in '11
For further comparison, Novak @ his lowest Elo in '12 (Aug. 12th) had 2431
Novak following his garbage '17 had 2417 (Dec 1st '17), only 14 pts <
There's no real method to my madness, but it's simply to illustrate that totting up 'list of players w/ ?? Elo pts or > beaten' is a waste of X, as the system someX's can't = tell the diff. btw beating '13/4 Fed & '04 Fed. But then, what can you expect from a system designed t/b used in Chess?
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Top Recent Elo rating at the end of a season:
1) '15 Djokovic - 2748
2) '84 McEnroe - 2707
3) '79 Borg - 2695
4) '06 Federer - 2693
5) '13 Djokovic - 2691
6) '14 Djokovic - 2653
7) '16 Murray - 2651
8) '80 Borg - 2648
9) '12 Djokovic - 2640
10) '78 Connors - 2638
Djokovic 4 of the best 10 seasons
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'13 Djokovic ahead of Nadal? That's quite a surprise. Nadal had one of the best seasons ever, but doesn't = figure on the list.***
The ITF gave it to Djokovic over Nadal = though his only major win was the AO that '13 season! That kept Nole's streak alive w/ the ITF of YE #1!
***Yeah, Nadal deserved the award that yr., not Djokovic. Maybe > debatable in '16. But Nadal's '13 was extraordinarily dominant. - It's also ridiculous to place '16 Murray over '05 Fed & '13 Nadal. Another obvious mistake is placing '13 Djokovic w/ only 1 Slam title & 0-2 in Slam meetings vs Nadal over '13 Nadal w/ 2 Slam titles, 2-0 vs Djokovic in Slam meetings & YE #1.
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Nadal peaked a lot >er in '13 after the USO, & actually was >er > Djokovic's '13 rating here.***
Djokovic's late season showings have j/b remarkable considering how hard pro tennis lives are these days! Usually late in the yr., you'd see > upsets of the top players; been the case w/ Nadal, but not Nole! He not only has done well in Shanghai & Paris, winning 5 YEC's is no small feat = in the days of old!
***Yea, he's done excellent in the fall in his career. He has 4 Shanghai titles (the rec.), 5 Paris titles (the rec.) and 5 WTFs. He's the best of his gen. overall in the Fall big tourns.***
***Murray's success came mostly vs '08-10 Fed & that in BO3 format, but not in '04-07. Fed had a poor rec. in gen. w/ top 10 players in '08.***
ReplyDelete...Fed went from '10 AO - '12 Wimbl. going over 2 yrs w/ no major win! The next one from that Wimbl. to '17 AO going almost 5 yrs! So far he's staved off both Nadovic by taking 3 > majors up to now, but it's only a matter of X right?
***Given how things are going, yeah, it's inevitable that he'll lose the slam rec. He shot himself in the foot w/ the missed chance last yr. @ Wmby. Now it's easy for us to point fingers @ him b/c his legacy was in his hands & he shb stronger mentally, but @ the same X IMO we underest. How much pressure was on his shoulders for almost a decade now.
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...Lastly the advantage you're talking about in terms of experience is quite exaggerated considering that Nadal won his 1st slam < < 2 yrs after Fed won his 1st.***
You're deluding yourself babe! The only reason you can invoke that 11-10 rec. is due to Roger winning 5 or 6 str. matches 2 yrs ago over Rafa! He hasn't done much since & wasn't able to defend many of his titles from the prev. yr.! It's a wonder he's been able to stay in the top 4 for so long! ...I'd take Nole's rec. over Roger's the last 2 yrs winning 5 majors out of 7 events! It's amazing how people seem to gloss over that!
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That BS about Rafa being injured when losing is perpetrated by Rafa's fans, family, & handlers! "If Rafa lost, he mhb injured!" They try never to give credit to him just getting beat! I wonder how they treated that ass-kickin' from '19 AO Finals?
***Fedal 1st met in '04 (which Fed promptly lost), when Fed was 23 & Nadal only 18. So Fed should have the advan. for 7, 8 yrs in terms of exper. Instead he couldn't beat the guy & had to wait until '14. So from ages 23 to 33, during his prime & near prime, Fed couldn't beat Nadal!
Djokovic didn't wait around, he started beating Nadal in '11 after Nadal enjoyed his only 3-slam season in '10. An argument Fedfans had to fall on was Djokovic never had to beat peak Fed, an argument which I completely disagree w/ btw! But I offer another argument: peak Fed couldn't = beat pre-peak, young Nadal, but peak Djokovic certainly beat peak Nadal, to the tune of 8-finals winning streak.
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Now you are exaggerating. Fedal are almost = in the last 10 yrs in H2H , but if you want to go by periods, the rivalry was very close in '04-07, Nadal was clearly in charge btw '08 & '14 & after that it was Fed's turn. While Djokovic was > successful vs Nadal, he also never had such streaks vs Fed like he had vs Nadal. Djokovic never beat Fed > 4 X's in a row. This is how matchups work.***
Where's the exaggeration? These are facts; Nadal owned Fed lock, stock, & barrel for the most part starting from the beginning over 15 yrs ago! Roger actually turning it around the last 2 yrs can't be explained! Rafa's had a HELL of a X w/ both Fedovic; Nole's dom. going back to '11 right in the middle of Rafa's prime! True enough Nole doesn't have a 7 match winning streak over Roger, but that doesn't tell the whole story! The thing is Roger hasn't defeated Djokovic in a major since '12 IIRC! ...Roger hasn't worried many for a while now though making nice runs here & there in Masters & majors in the last yr. or so! W/ this latest injury/recover per., it can't be long before he says "it's X to hang it up!"
***You went too far. ...Nobody denies that Rafa led their rivalry from the beginning, but as Hitman showed in a thread recently, Rafa-Fed is something like 11-10 in the last 10 yrs or so, which is not bad @ all.The h2h looks bad for Fed on clay though, but it is how it is.***
***People who say Nole "will" pass Roger in majors are just cringeworthy.***
ReplyDeleteHow difficult has it been for Nole? He's been winning majors in bunches; avg. 2 a yr. thanks to 2 great seasons winning 3 majors! He was @ 12 just a moment ago; now 17, 3 behind Roger! Why wouldn't he be anticipating something? Same for wks @ #1 that he has a chance to race past Roger in a few months! I'm sure Roger was in the same position over 10 yrs ago racking up his ct. & about to surpass Sampras as The GOAT!
***They want t/b mad man, I don't get it. I refuse t/b shocked. Thiem had to win the AO & he didn't, now it's over. - If Nole gets to 21 majors, he'll not only have > slams > Fed, but he'll also have > big titles, > wks @ #1, he'll have won every big tourn., & he'll lead the H2H vs Fedal. This is truly setting a new milestone. Nadal OTOH will need > 21 as he's not as complete as Djokovic, I'll give you that.***
I felt this way about Djokovic as soon as he won Cincy! His rec. is the most diverse & complete = back when he had only 12 majors! Like you said, he's already besting Fedal H2H, will eventually get the rec. wks @ #1, & IMO, right now all he needs to do is pick up 1 > Cincy & FO, IMO lap Fedal in just about every way outside of that major ct.! If we were to blindly go w/ either Fedal as the GOAT w/ all that going vs them, it'll be as us "oldsters" anointed Sampras as the GOAT w/o = playing a FO final! Now 3 players have jetted by him the way he surpassed his contemporaries & past greats! In the end, > likely, it'll all have > to do w/ the fandom w/o a real definitive GOAT!
***Fed prob. believes that most fans will only put Djokovic ahead of him if he surpasses him in slams. OTOH, plenty fans will put Nadal ahead of him = if he's behind or tied in slams. Only if Novak passes Roger in slams will Fed be widely regarded as '3rd-greatest' ever & not top 2.***
That's my thinking! Fed's already considered Nadal's bitch going back over a decade! He helped the H2H a lit'l in '17 w/ a series of major wins over Rafa, but that was > an anomaly > expected! Nadal was already proclaimed the GOAT yrs ago by Wilander & McEnroe; though they've rethought it & are leaning in Nole's favor! IDK how Roger can claim much of anything in 2 yrs; esp. w/ the H2H already so lopsided vs him?
I ?? "The GOAT standard" when all's said & done! Looking @ the #'s for these guys just fascinates me! Scanning the rec.bks, Fedalovic have taken it over; esp. w/ their extended yrs of excellence! Even if Nole were to never track down Fedal in the major ct., his balanced resume has to make their fans shake their heads just a lit'l!
***You only need to go back to the last time Djokovic & Federer met to understand why Fed is the GOAT. He was 90% broken, shouldn’t have = gone on court & yet, while his body held out just a lit'l bit, he totally owned Djokovic. Physically he couldn’t win that match, but his level @ the start of the match was >er > Djokovic could cope w/, & >er > Djokovic has ever attained in his entire career. T/b the GOAT you have to play the best tennis, not just win the most matches.***
Oh please! So Fed went out there "going for broke" & got away w/ it for a set! So what? We all knew the result beforehand! Trying to give Roger last gasps of glory isn't going to save him from the inevitable being labeled "3rd Best GOAT;" sooner than later! I'm just looking @ the rec.bk. & Fed's barely holding on my the skin of his teeth w/ that one major over Nadal! I guess the "#" will have to actually change for some to listen to reason!
***I'm starting to think that both Nadal & Djokovic will surpass Fed. ...Federer knew from early on that Nadal was potentially someone who could usurp him, & was quite open about the topic while still keeping a comp. edge.***
I still give Laver credit for winning CYGS twice; once in '62 as an Am. & once as a Pro in '69! Roger & Nole have been close > once, but no cigar! This is the reason I rate Fedovic above Nadal regard< if he zooms by in the major ct.! His resume is the most imbalanced I've ever seen of an ATG!
ReplyDelete***In '69, Laver won on dead slow, high bouncing clay. He won on slick, low bouncing grass @ Wimbl. He won on slowish, high bouncing grass in Brisbane. ...In btwn his 2 trad'l slams, he also won the Pro Tour slam.
He also won tourns. on carpet & HC; 200 in total. Each of the 6 surfaces he played on were very diff. & required adaptation. Today, we have slow, high bouncing clay, HC, & grass. Players play virtually the same way on all surfaces.***
You're joking right? Rafa's 19 majors, a dozen of them @ FO! Of course Rafa's resume's the most imbalanced in the history of tennis! Borg was the original "clay GOAT," but he won 5 Wimbl. in a row! Rafa's been lucky to scratch out 2 from a decade ago!
***You're right, Nadal’s resume is imbalanced. He hasn’t won Wimbl. or the AO in a fk'n decade.***
I taught tennis 2 yrs @ a YWCA on the HC or B-ball court! It had lines for volleyball, baseball, B-Ball, & of course Tennis in green! It was fast & anticipation was a must!
***Oh great, another dude that just talks smack about Nadal for half his posts on here.***
What smack? It's the fk'n truth! Are you in complete denial? ...He's also been upset sev. X's by players not in the top 50 or 100! That isn't anything we can say w/ the consistency of Nole @ SW19!
After all's said & done, Nole will have most, if not all the recs concerning AO! He's already the only person to win it 8 X's, 3 X's in a row ('11-13), & will one day m/b pass Fed as the winner of the most matches making final after final of which he's been undefeated!
***Yea, '12 was very comp. across the board so those Djokovic losses made > sense > the ones in '13. I'd say it carried over into '14 & yea, I do believe the mental aspect of it def. started getting to him. He really was struggling to close out tight matches in those 2 yrs.***
The way I see it, success begets success, but energy & emotions are lost over a per. of X! It was esp. grinding on Nole who not only was winning just about everything, he was making finals! It's called burnout & it's happened to all of the "Big 3" in degrees! You don't take notice of Rafa since he's always been broken down b/c he works too hard! He's taken so many vacations, it's hard to think of them as recover X for injuries! W/ Nole it was a > pronounced "down per." b/c of his momentous success starting in '11! It was obvious in '12-14 there was a lull which resulted in him winning only 1 major those seasons!
The following yr. in '15 he was back to normal, took 3 majors, & finished it off w/ the YEC! No one'll ever have such a season again in my lifeX; recs. in match wins, $$, ATP pts, & stature! He became immortal IMO! The only thing that thrilled me > was his return to form after per. of malaise in '17-early '18! Pk'n it back up w/ 3 str. majors put him back on track & in the running t/b THE GOAT! It "was" Fed, but he's fallen flat w/ 2 players overtaking him! Then it was proclaimed t/b up to Rafa since he owned Roger! Now, = B4 he takes the rec., most people think Djokovic will prob. own the moniker!
***Well Nole didn't have the chance to sweep the field & accum. 237 wks in a row, only possible to do in the weakest era of all-X during '03-07.***
ReplyDeleteIt helped that Fed's major pigeon was his only real rival back then; A-Rod! Roddick wasn't that >, but prob. would've or should've won > that USO!
***Nole had an = weaker era from '15- present (5 yrs & counting). He’s lucky t/b playing in the weakest grass era ever too or he would have 0-1 Wimbl. titles. - No, '03-07 is the weakest. That makes Cow's 1st 12 slams & 237 wks possible.***
Well that's ridiculous! The Next Gens that have passed of late may not have won or beaten the Big 3, but they're far from weak! They have talent & abilities to win over elite players, but are just unable to complete the deal when it counts; = w/ X MP's! You see > upsets now, but The Big 3 still "own it" for the X being! We'll see what '20 brings; so far it's still on Nole who started the season well taking the ATP Cup & AO!
***Who cares? Dude will never be unanimous GOAT = w/ 22 slams b/c people don't like him as much as Fedal.***
That m/b true, but they'll only be deluding themselves & not facing up to facts! I know that's the thing these days w/ some peeps (esp. in the Trump era) who'd rather live in fantasyland & believe "alt-fact!" I'm just glad I'm old & feeble & won't have to deal w/ those a-holes much longer!
***Believe me they care. Their self-worth is entirely based on Cow's goathood, which is as fragile as their egos.
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Wimbl.'14 was a turning pt. If Novak had lost the final from MP, his mental strength whb still > weakened & Novak's career w/b poorer about many GS titles.
Triumph in '14 Wimb. repaired Nole's mental strength & opened the way for him to re-dominance. 10 out of 17 GS titles & 4 out of 5 multi-GS seasons, Novak reached after that match.***
There was > riding on this match > we all remember; well m/b everyone else! I quite recall that Boris' job was on the line! He had come on board to help "get Djokovic over the hump" the previous season! If Nole had dropped that match, Becker whh to hit the road! Djokovic had won AO & Masters events w/o a problem, but Becker wasn't = there recovering from some kind of surgery! So it whb hard for him to take cred. for those victories! That '14 changed the course of history if you think about it! It changed everything! Fed was doomed from then on! He really needed to take that match to quash any hope of Djokovic ascending to his thrown! Now it's too late & the Wimbl. match from last season was only icing on the cake!
***If Novak wins the CYGS, & it's possible w/ how he’s playing, he would un??ably claim the “GOAT” title. He’s be the only one w/ @ least 2 majors each (although Roger got to 5 FO finals & Rafa got to 5 AO finals, but each only winning 1).
He’d be the only one w/ a slam. He’d tie Roger for most majors & move ahead of Rafa. And then, when you consider his winning h2h rec. vs each of them, he’d be the GOAT, all just after 4 months of turning 33 (& prob. 2 or > majors still in him, or >).
So, in just 6 1/2 months, the debate c/b over. And = though I’m a huge Fedal fan, I know Novak would've clearly surpassed them. And the way he’s playing, I think he could do it. He's an absol. machine, both mentally & physically. He’s >er right now than he’s EVER been, esp. his serve, drop shot & improved net play.***
***Slams won in <3.00 yrs:
ReplyDeleteDjokovic 4
Nadal 2
Federer, Murray 1
Slams won in <4.00 yrs:
Djokovic 11
Nadal 5
Federer 4
Murray 3
Wawrinka 2
Slams won in <5.00 yrs:
Djokovic, Nadal 15
Federer 10
Murray, Wawrinka 3
Cilic, Del Potro, Safin 1
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Slams won in the yrs w/ the lowest seeded SF's ('00-06 & '17-18):
Federer 10
Nadal 4
Djokovic 2
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Same story. Djokovic beats old, high ranked Fed in '14/15/19 Wimbl., '16/20 AO, '15 USO. Fed's era was deep. Nadal while winning occasional Masters was found out by the Gonzalez, Hewitt, Roddick, Blake, Davydenko, Muller & the likes.
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Nole's now the only player past or present w/ a good argument for being > Fed on 2/3 surfaces. - I think after '20 AO he clearly is:
-1 Slam, 3 Slam Finals & 9 Masters is > 1 Slam, 4 Slam Finals & 6 Masters on clay. (It c/b argued Nole wins 3/3 Master 1000 on clay. Fed 1/3.)
-11 Slam, 5 Slam Finals, 5 WTF & 25 Masters is > 11 Slam, 3 Slam Finals, 6 WTF & 22 Masters on HC.
Let alone > comp. Nole played in his prime.
The real ?? is: is there a player that's > Nole on 2/3 surfaces? I think you can m/b make a case for Borg, but not a solid one.
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Of course it c/b argued otherwise since they are awfully close from each other on both surfaces.***
Why do people keep forgetting the age disparity? Nole has plenty of X to catch up in the few categories Roger leads! What about the stats already in his favor = though Fed's over 5 yrs older? Nadal's > his contemporary, not Roger!
***Okay Lets See:
MC Masters: Djokovic - 2, Fed - 0
Madrid: Djokovic - 3 (all on trad'l red clay), Fed - 2 (1 played on "alien blue stuff," Hard-Tru.
Hamburg: Djokovic - 0, Fed - 4 (B4 '08, Djokovic was baby...)
Rome: Djokovic - 4, Fed - 0 again!
Clay Masters Series Overall: Djokovic - 9, Fed - 6...
RG: Both Tied @ 1, W/ Fed reaching 5 finals as opposed to Djokovic, who reached 4
Overall Clay Titles (ALL): Djokovic - 14, Fed - 11
Additional Point: Djokovic played against Nadal @ RG & defeated him once in str. sets in '15, & was dangerously close to winning in SF's of '13 as well. Fed didn't = edged Nadal to 5 sets in all 6 meetings he lost to him! He got baggeled once in the final.
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We should bear in mind that Nadal didn't have to face a single top #20 ranked player in Acapulco whilst Djokovic had to face 3 in Dubai including 2 top #10 ranked players. Djokovic is clearly the form player of the 2 & Nadal has not been a match for him on HC's now for many yrs. W/ Fed injured & Murray not likely ever to rejoin the tour @ his former level, Djokovic's set to dom. all the spring HC events. Who is going to stop him?***
That's something I try to bring up when it comes to majors! Nadal's had so many of his pigeons to win his majors while Nole's had just a couple like Anderson @ '18 Wimbl. after he defeated Nadal in the SF! If I cared enough, I'd chart it! It was the same w/ Roger; A-Rod wasn't going to = make him sweat except in that '09 Wimbl. final! Nole's had it tougher & I'm not saying that b/c I'm a fan; it's just a FACT!
***Fed's still GOAT & holds the recs for most slams, most wks @ #1 & most YECs. To exclude him is madness.***
I won't exclude Fed for the X being, but the world knows there w/b a changing of the guard soon! I believe "The Big 3" w/b used as some kind of moniker as long as these 3 play the game since they're inextricably linked; just check the rec.bks! Their names are splashed all over it & @ the top of each category!
W/ Stan in the mix, we briefly spoke of "The Big 5!" The prob. was neither Murray or Wawrinka were anywhere as good as the "Big 3" & +ing them to the mix was only a writer or tennis commentators blather! ...It's just not seriously feasible! Fedal's rec. vs those clowns is superior in majors w/ a few fleeting minor upsets in Masters events early on!
ReplyDelete***By the same token, how could either Djokovic or Fed be considered GOATS w/ their pathetic single FO each? Or is clay not a surface? Once you go down that path it's easy for biased arguments t/b torn apart under the merest hint of exam. Nadal's rec. on other surfaces is > theirs on clay. For instance, his HC resume puts Novak & Roger's clay resumes to shame.***
Neither Fedovic were inept on clay as the past GOAT Sampras who didn't = play a FO final! They own some clay Masters, played quite a few Paris finals, winning 1 each! They were just as unlucky as those past players who had to deal w/ the likes of Borg, Wilander, Lendl, now Nadal who hogged the RG titles when they competed!
***Sampras isn't in the GOAT convo any> so the above's completely irrelevant. When we're discussing GOATS, we're talking Fedalovic, so yes, when someone pts out to Nadal's rec. on say, hards, then it only makes sense to discuss their resume on clay. And no, it's not that they're unlucky, it's that they're not nearly as good as he is on clay; Not = close. Hence his 12 clay majors to their combined 2. Otherwise I can say Nadal is unlucky to deal w/ Djokovic on HC's otherwise he'd have a bunch of extra slams on that surface.***
But it wasn't Djokovic that stopped Nadal from winning > HC tourneys as it was his own body betraying him; esp. in the 2nd 1/2 of the season! His Summer & Fall recs suck in comparison to his usual dom. early on during the clay season in the Spring! Then there have been the upsets over the yrs @ the USO which had nothing to do w/ Fedovic; Pouille, F3, Blake, Youzney, Ferrer, Murray, & of course Del PO twice! The same is true @ the YEC where he's only played 2 finals, often not = making it out of the RR!
***First of all, we're clearly mainly talking about majors, ...so I wouldn't completely bank on it.
...Those are some of the names who have beaten Fed @ the FO.
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Slam Finals played vs non-top 5:
FED 13
'03 WI vs #48 Philippoussis
'04 AO vs #86 Safin
'05 UO vs #7 Agassi
'06 AO vs #54 Baghdatis
'06 UO vs #10 Roddick
'07 AO vs #9 Gonzalez
'08 UO vs #6 Murray
'09 RG vs #25 Soderling
'09 WI vs #6 Roddick
'09 UO vs #6 Del Potro
'17 AO vs #9 Nadal
'17 WI vs #6 Cilic
'18 AO vs #6 Cilic
NADAL 7
'05 RG vs #37 Puerta
'10 RG vs #7 Soderling
'10 WI vs #13 Berdych
'14 AO vs #8 Wawrinka
'17 AO vs #17 Federer
'17 UO vs #32 Anderson
'18 RG vs #8 Thiem
DJOKOVIC 4
'08 AO vs #38 Tsonga
'15 AO vs #6 Murray
'15 FO vs #9 Wawrinka
'18 WI vs #8 Anderson
Fed > Djokodal combined, yet Fed fans act like Djokodal won in a weak era.
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...Hell, = if you only ct. up til Wimbl.'17 when Murray fell off the H2H's are as such:
Nadal-Djokovic - 50 meetings
Fed-Djokovic: 45 meetings
Fed-Nadal: 36 meetings
Djokovic-Murray: 36 meetings
Fed-Murray: 25 meetings
Nadal-Murray: 24 meetings
85
Then bring other members of the "also ran" club into the =tion in the same X per. - Stan has 65 meetings w/ the Big 3, Ferrer has 67, Berdych has 76, Murray has 85. Roger has 81, Rafa has 86, Novak has 95, those last 3 of course are recs vs just 2 people, not 3 like w/ the preceding 4! - and you see that once again Murray is gen. closer to the rest of the field > he's to the Big 3.***
***...Boorish fans applauding a DF or UFE's one of the strongest reasons why I root for Novak & why these wins vs these fucking crowds were so sweet.***
ReplyDeleteI think that's why I was drawn to Lendl after Borg retired! The fans, commentators, & MSM were brutal; all but calling him the Prince of Darkness b/c he wore black early on! It was hard to support players from my own country since they tended t/b arrogant SOB's like Connors & McEnroe! It made it all the = "sweet" for him & me when he defeated them in their own tourneys @ the USO or Masters when held in NYC @ MSG! Lendl truly was the consummate pro & set the standard since his reign @ #1 over 30 yrs ago!
***Me too, that’s exactly what I feel when Novak fights back! I always favored Ivan, esp. later on vs Becker.
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Djokovic's > every ATG on @ least 2 surfaces out of 3:
vs Connors - HC/grass/clay
vs Borg - - - HC/grass
vs McEnroe - HC/grass/clay
vs Lendl - - HC/grass
vs Wilander - HC/grass
vs Becker - HC/grass/clay
vs Edberg- - HC/grass/clay
vs Agassi - HC/grass/clay
vs Sampras - HC/clay
vs Federer - HC/clay
vs Nadal - - HC/grass
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Djokovic isn't = >er > Fed on HC yet, both tied w/ 11 Slams on HC. But = if/when Djokovic wins another Slam on HC, he'll only be the greatest in 1 surface out of 3: HC's. Fed & Sampras will have a >er resume than him on grass, un< he wins 4 extra Wimbl. titles. And if Djokovic only +'s AO titles from now on, he w/b a "weak HC GOAT," since many players like Connors, Sampras, Fedal have won > USO titles > him.***
I keep saying to people who can't seem to remember Nole's 5-6 yrs younger > Fed so he has plenty of X! It's ridiculous to hold him up to standards to someone that much older = though Nole has matched or surpassed Fed in so many other categories! Why's that so hard for people to keep in mind?
***Djokovic's >er > Fed on clay b/c of achievements.
- Djokovic's > Fed on HC b/c of the h2h.
I think Djokovic's >er on HC in achievements too. 3 Masters & 2 Slam finals are >er > 1 yec.
- Djokovic isn't = declining so he's likely to + > HC achievements.
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Djokovic dom. Nadal off clay > Nadal dom. Djokovic on clay:
Djokovic-Nadal off clay 22-9 (71% of wins Djokovic)
- Nadal-Djokovic on clay 17-7 (70.8% of wins Nadal)
Nadal's >er @ Slams (6-1 vs 5-3), but it's still great that Djokovic managed to have a >er overall score > the one the clay dom. had over him.
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No shame in rooting for the Earth's Mightiest Warrior & 3 Heavywt. Champ. of the World!***
Well some fans won't get off the Fedal train until Nole surpasses them in every single category! It doesn't matter to them that Djokovic owns recs they'll never achieve including winning @ least 1 title from all 14 major ATP events & their H2H rivalry overall!
***Looking back from here, the Big 4 seems like just a blip on the radar. The Big 3 are the best the game has ever seen & have pretty much dom. for the >er part of > a decade & a 1/2. For a handul of yrs. in that per., Murray played @ their level, but the game ultimately took its toll on his body.***
***Slam Finals by Court Type:
ReplyDelete- CLAY
12 Nadal
7. Borg
5. Vilas, Lendl, Wilander, Federer
4. Djokovic
- GRASS
12 Federer
9. Connors
7. Newcombe, Becker, Sampras
6. Rosewall, Borg, Djokovic
5. Ashe, McEnroe, Edberg, Nadal
- HARD
16 Djokovic
14 Federer
11 Lendl, Sampras
10 Agassi, Nadal
7. Murray
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According to ultimatetennisstatistics.com, on HC's:
- HC GOAT PTS
1. Fed 471
2. Djokovic 441
3. Agassi 254
4. Sampras 229
5. Nadal 227
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39. Nalbandian 34
In 5 yrs, it'll prob. be Djokovic, Fed, Nadal, Agassi, & Sampras. Meaning, according to their measurement, Nadal'll end his career as the 3rd greatest HC player ever.
While we're @ it:
- CLAY
1. Nadal 377
2. Vilas 178
3. Borg 172
4. Lendl 144
5. Djokovic 138
6. Fed 113
...
75. Nalbandian 15
- GRASS
1. Fed 196
2. Connors 133
3. Sampras 110
4. Djokovic 91
5. Newcombe 90
...
14. Nadal 50
...
66. Nalbandian 7
If we want to crown one guy as the all-surface GOAT, it very well m/b Novak: he's the only player who w/b top 5 on all 3 surfaces, & he's got a chance of finishing top 3 in all 3, while Roger will never make the top 5 on clay (although he's very close), & Rafa will never make the top 5 on grass (he's #14).
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They canceled IW's cos of 1 confirmed case only b/c the US health system sucks & it suits the gov't to show the overall confirmed corona virus cases as low. The actual # of cases is prob. 10 to 20 X's >er min. No way they want to test on a large scale & release true data. ...Even if you leave off paranoia & conspiracy theories, the truth is the people in the US aren't getting tested in anything like the #'s they are in Italy. Tests not "available." Trump says in so many words that he likes the numbers low. (He doesn't so much speak of the human toll as imply the political cost of "#'s.") Playing this whole thing down isn't really helping us.***
Oh man, this virus thing comes along just in X to screw up Larry's tourney; the >est after the USO! Canceled for health reasons! The Lipton Int'l was supposed t/b anointed the "5th Major" @ it's inception in '85, but Ellison took IW's to new hts I didn't think poss.! If not for Cal. being so hard to incorporate, he'd prob. annex > property to make it = > the USO; m/b w/ thoughts of moving our Nat'l Chp. there someday! I wonder how the tour will make this up; esp. w/ the "also rans" scrambling for $$ & pts.?
***Very good pts you made. Yes, back in the day the Lipton, now Miami Open was the 5th major. You're right, Larry E. took it to the next level & then some. Haas says they may look for an alt. date. That m/b tough w/ the Olympics this yr. Good ?? about the pts.***
***Slams won beating 1 of the 3 highest ranked opps:
ReplyDeleteDjokovic 17
- Nadal 15
- Federer 10
Borg, Sampras 8
- McEnroe 7
- Lendl 6
- Connors 5
Laver, Wilander, Edberg, Becker 4
Agassi, Courier, Wawrinka 3
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Djokovic, McEnroe, & Wawrinka are the only ones on the list who never won a Slam w/o beating a top 3 op. Fed's by far the one who won the most Slams w/o beating a top 3 op. (10). Sampras in 2nd w/ 6.
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In '15 Nole had 31 top 10 wins (Fed 19) & had all X season rec. in pts. He was also the best (most big titles pts) on all 3 surfaces. Nole also had + h2h vs all major opps while Fed had 2-4 vs Nadal (0-3 clay, 1-1 HC, 1-0 grass).
Highest YE Elo Rating 2603 N. Djokovic ('15)***
I just can't see anyone EVER surpassing Nole's '15 rec.! Along w/ your stats above, we'd need to + on how grueling it had t/b making final after final! OTOH Djokovic played 13 of the 14 major ATP tour events, won 10 & was in the final of the other 3 (FO, Can., & Cincy)! That was pret' near a perfect season!
***It was clearly the best season in ATP history. Nole's best yr. was = >er, '15 W-'16 RG. All 4 slams, WTF, 5 Masters (+3 finals), ATP500, ATP250 & a rec. of 16,950 pts & he had 31 top 10 wins (15 vs Big 4! 5-2 vs Fed inc. W, USO, AO, & WTF final, 1 lost in WTF RR, 5-0 vs Rafa, 5-2 vs Muzza inc. AO & RG) = in that per.! Clearly the most dom. yr. in ATP history & in the most comp. X.
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Federer '06 compared to Djokovic '15 - I don't think you can compare the prize $$ before & now... But it's clear that his would earn > Fed in his best season no matter how you ct. B/c he had > success in the biggest tourns., Nole would earn > $$ regardless of season.
'06 Fed:
Doha W - 250
AO W - GS
Dubai - F 500
IW W - M
Miami W - M
MC F - M
Rome F - M
RG F - GS
Halle W - 250
Wim W - GS
Can W - M
Cinci R32 - M
USO W - GS
Tokio W - 250/500?
Madrid W - M
Basel W – 250/500?
WTF W
17 tourns.: 3 Slams + Slam F
WTF
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4 Masters + 2 Masters F + R32
4 MM + F
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'15 Nole:
Doha QF - 250
AO W - GS
Dubai - F 500
IW W - M
Miami W - M
MC W - M
Rome W - M
RG F - GS
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Wim W - GS
Can F - M
Cinci F - M
USO W - GS
Beiji W - 500
Shang W - M
Paris W - M
WTF W -1
16 tourns.: 3 Slams + Slam F
WTF
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6 Masters + 2 Masters F
1 MM + F + QF
If we don't look @ other tourns. in which they have similar successes, but concentrate only on those who separate them. If we had 2 completely diff. players who during one season had the following results:
- Player A has won 2 Masters titles
- Player B has won 3 MM titles
Who had >er season? Who earned the > price $$? What is certain is that 2 Masters give > pts than 3 MM tourns.***
***Players of the Decade? Here are the #1 players by wks of the ATP era, by decade:
ReplyDelete2020s: Djokovic 6, Nadal 4
2010s: DJOKr 275, Nadal 159, Fed 48, Murray 41
2000s: FED 262, Hewitt 80, Agassi 50, Nadal 46, Kuerten 43, Roddick 13, Sampras 10, Safin 9, Ferrero 8
'90s: SAMPRAS 276, Edberg 70, Courier 58, Agassi 51, Lendl 32, Becker 12, Muster/Rios/Kafelnikov 6, Moya 2, Rafter 1
'80s: LENDL 238, McEnroe 170, Borg 76, Wilander 20, Connors 17
'70s: CONNORS 251, Nastase 40, Borg 33, Newcombe 8 (also Laver, Rosewall, Smith if includ. pre-ATP era)
5 completed decades, one player in each decade w/ @ least 238 wks. ...If precedent holds, who do you think is the active player > likely t/b @ #1 for 200+ wks over the next dec.?
As an aside, each of the players was active w/i the 1st yr. of the dec. Even Connors played 4 tourns. in '70. Meaning, it's likely that the "Player of the Decade" is already w/ us in some form or fashion. Here are their ages from the 1st to last day of the dec. (e.g. 1/1/70 to 12/31/79)
- Connors 17-27
- Lendl 19-29
- Sampras 18-28
- Federer 18-28
- Djokovic 22-32
The 3 > likely candidates IMO are Tsitsipas (age 21 on Jan 1), FAA (age 19 on Jan 1), & Sinner (age 18 on Jan 1) in order of age - but not nec. likelihood. But obviously it's far too early to have a clear idea.
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Djokovic changed the game; Fedal not so much.
- Nadal plays the same game as Borg & Vilas. Thiem's doing the same thing & does 2 things > often > Nadal: taking the ball on the rise & flattening out the strokes to rob opps of X.
- Federer plays a classical game & does everything w/ classic beauty. But there's very lit'l room for innovation when you do that!
- Djokovic is the men's pioneer on these things:
1) ...sliding on all surfaces.
2) ...deep in either corner, on doubles alleys, w/ an open stance, wt. on the outside leg passing shots.
3) ...template on how to play defense: standing right on the baseline, giant 1st step either way, & has > of the court covered. He doesn't play defense the way Nadal used to play: deep behind the baseline, run like a jackrabbit.
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If the ATP rankings went back, my guesses w/ undeniable choices in capitals:
'60s: LAVER
'50s: GONZALES
'40s: Kramer, Riggs, or Segura
'30s: Tilden or Budge, m/b Vines
'20s: TILDEN
'10s: WILDING
1900s: L DOHERTY, or poss. Ritchie or Wilding
1890s: Unclear - Barlow, Pim, R. Doherty, Mahony, Larned are candidates
1880s: Probably Renshaw, m/b Sears
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Does anyone have the data or has a solid guess on how fast the serve looks like back in wooden racquet era?***
I think any stats concerning the serve & the different eras w/b only skewed by the tech. giving the op. for > players to pound serves! The speed really isn't up that much! Under old tech in rackets & measurement, we had serves in excess of 140 MPH! W/ that faulty tech I remember Dibley & Tanner hitting 148 MPH! Margaret was on top for the women @ 100 MPH way back when! ;-)
***Point of measurement has changed: ie. @ net v contact.***
***Yrs w/ > 2600 Elo rating:
ReplyDelete- 1) Djokovic ('15) 1
Yrs w/ > 2500 Elo rating:
- 1) Djokovic ('13-16) 4
- 2) Borg ('79-80) 2
- 3) McEnroe ('84), Lendl ('87), Fed ('06), Nadal ('13), Murray ('16) 1
Yrs w/ > 2400 Elo rating:
- 1) Fed ('04-07, '10-12, '15, '17), Djokr ('11-17,'18,'20) 9
- 3) McEnroe ('79-85), Nadal ('08, '10, '12-13, '14, '18-19) 7
- 5) Borg ('77-82), Lendl ('82, '85-89) 6
- 7) Connors ('76, '78-79, '82) 4
- 8) Laver ('69), Vilas ('77), Becker ('89), Murray ('16) 1
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Yrs w/ X > 2500 ratings:
- '13 (Djokovic, Nadal)
- '16 (Djokovic, Murray)
Yrs w/ 3+ > 2400 ratings:
- '82 (Borg, Connors, Lendl, McEnroe)
- '79 (Borg, Connors, McEnroe)
- '12 (Djokovic, Fed, Nadal)
- '14 (Djokovic, Fed, Nadal)
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Slams won when other "Big 3" joined/left the top 3:
FEDERER won
11 slams when Djokovic was not yet top 3 (B4 July '07)
15 slams when Djokovic was not yet top 2 (B4 Feb. '10)
15 slams when Djokovic was not yet #1 (B4 July '11)
4 slams when Nadal was not yet top 3 (B4 June '05)
5 slams when Nadal was not yet top 2 (B4 July '05)
12 slams when Nadal was not yet #1 (B4 Aug. '08)
NADAL won
2 slams when Djokovic was not yet top 3 (B4 July '07)
6 slams when Djokovic was not yet top 2 (B4 Feb. '10)
10 slams when Djokovic was not yet #1 (B4 July '11)
0 slams when Fed was no longer top 3 (after Feb. '20)
2 slams when Fed was no longer top 2 (after Oct. '18)
2 slams when Fed was no longer #1 (after June '18)
DJOKOVIC won
0 slams when Fed was no longer top 3 (after Feb. '20)
3 slams when Fed was no longer top 2 (after Oct. '18)
5 slams when Fed was no longer #1 (after June '18)
0 slams when Nadal was no longer top 3 (current)
0 slams when Nadal was no longer top 2 (current)
0 slams when Nadal was no longer #1 (after Feb. '20)
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Well tennis' boring as shit w/ Djokovic @ the top in this mug era of weaklings & clowns all playing on slow identical surfaces.***
If it's boring w/ one baseliner, it w/b just as boring w/ Nadal flailing away mindlessly!
***RBA making the Wimbl. SF's proof enough on the current state of tennis & its homogenized surfaces. Attacking, aggressive tennis is dead = on grass.***
But that isn't Djokovic's fault or prob! His style of play was 1st honed by Lendl decades ago w/ many going that route over a more glamorous, elegant game of an "Edberg, McEnroe," or "Federer!" It takes more talent & artistic flair to play their game while whacking away from the baseline doesn't take much thought or imagination; > about not missing! Baseline battles c/b entertaining when "in the zone" like Nole "down under" last season vs Rafa! It wasn't that Nadal was playing poorly, Djokovic was in "Beast-mode" & demolished his opp. w/ very aggressive play from the baseline! He gets up for his matches w/ Rafa like no other it seems to me!
***How will history judge Djokovic if the season is wiped & he finishes his career 1 slam & a few wks short of Fed?
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He's got @ least 1 or 2 yrs left to set the Slam rec. Although looking @ his last 3-4 Slam outings, he's looked nothing close to unbeatable & has been close to losing. The only thing helping him is the weak gen. & pretenders who aren't producing big tennis in the Slams. But that could change in the next season. Who do you think will retire w/ the Slam rec. & what do you est. the ct. t/b when all's done among the Big 3?***
***...Believe it or not, KC's defense is what came thru for them in the SB! W/o them, they certainly wouldn't have won this game! SF stymied the Chiefs for 3 qtrs & it looked bleak before that big play to HILL for 40+ yds! The interceptions were so important to nail this thing down!***
ReplyDeleteWe're lucky KC fans since SF had this game pretty much wrapped up! The decision making by the coach was just as helpful in their comeback; not just the QB's missed passes! Falling behind by double digits requires help from the opp.! KC is quite fortunate IMO! Congrats to Chiefs anyway!
***Kyle Shanahan is an asshole. That's 2 SB's he has blown, 28-3 & 20-10 leads in the 4th qtr. by passing the ball. Now this moron says that he has no regrets. He's overrated & in close games his testicles shrink to the size of baby marbles. I'm happy for Mahomes & Andy Reid though. Jimmy G. & the defense was put in harm's way by a coach who doesn't have the innate ability to learn from his previously mistakes. It's a shame b/c although I like the Chiefs, the 49'rs was the best team in the NFL all yr. until 6:49 in the 4th qtr. of the SB.
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IT’S OFFICIAL! Tom Brady is leaving the Patriots!***
I'm sure Brady & his people will say "it's not about the $$," but we all know it is! He wants top $$ t/b mediocre I guess! Brady got tired of his wife making > for all these yrs! Some sucker/owner will throw a mountain of $$ @ him, but we'll see how that works for them outside of the PR!
***I disagree w/ this & I'm not a big Brady fan. When the Patriots didn't pick up a good to > receiver in free agency, he knew he had to fly. This is not about $$; it's about being apprec. & Bill B. was never one known for his warmth or = trying to meet what I believe are reasonable demands for a stand-out receiving core. When the Patriots didn't p/u Stefon Diggs in free agency Tom made an announcement that he was leaving.***
Oh, I agree Brady prob. didn't feel apprec. by Belichick, but along w/ that lack of apprec. came w/ "indifference" by his coach = w/ his SB resume! It was no secret Bill wanted Tom gone yrs ago which is why he hasn't done much to upgrade the team! He's not exactly sabotaging the Patriots, but BB isn't doing "ALL" he can to get them to win! They've been winning w/ "smoke & mirrors" for yrs & it finally caught up w/ them this past season losing 4 games to >er teams; & they weren't = close! Tom & his team looked broken down by the X they lost the final game to Miami! Bill was prob. hoping Tom would retire, but everyone knows there's $$ t/b made w/ some "sucker" owner willing to mortgage the team's future w/ PR of having Brady as QB for a season or 2 (ala Montana or Manning)! The same situation was occurring in GB w/ Favre & Rodgers waiting in the wings! Bret just didn't know when to give it up & used his last few yrs in the league trying to "get back" @ GB! What an A-hole! Brady's lit'l >er! He could still play for NE, but he's tired of BB's treatment & not getting compensated for it! QB's who've never been in the playoffs were making >! I understand him, but like any pro, "it's about the $$" too, not just winning!
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Due to Corona virus (Covid-19), all sporting events are being cancelled or postponed until later in the yr. Right now both tennis tours on hold thru FO, the World FS Chp. too, & most big sports (baseball, b-ball, hockey, NCAA March Madness) put on haitus until further notice!
***Oh, poor Bernie Madoff. He'll live off of Medicaid & Soc. Sec. according to an article. And he's suffered enough by being in prison for 10 or 11 yrs.***
ReplyDeleteMadoff can't suffer enough IMO! W/o chk'n, IIRC no one was safe from this con man! He took $$ off friends & relatives! People's life savings were just incorporated into his lifestyle w/ the help of his wife who got off!
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Here in the States, Trump equates "being a terrorist" w/ being Muslim! I think that s/b taken personally & very stupid as well, but he's president! I guess that gives him carte blanche to malign a whole religion! Margaret Court's well w/i her rights I guess to besmirch a WHOLE group she has nothing in common w/!
***That right is freedom of speech. Others also have the right to call Court out on her religious bigotry of LGBTQ population.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but why am I getting the feeling that Trump is just the kind of type who barks, but doesn't bite?***
People in the know have already said, Trump's a gutless turd who doesn't have it w/i him to really fire anyone! He'll have someone else do it or do it in writing! He couldn't = face Comey, hoping to leave him stranded in Cal.! He fired the man when he was on assignment & meeting w/ agents out West! Trump was PO'd that Comey was allowed to fly the director's private plane back to DC! Trump's a cowardly POS & he can bluster all he wants, it still won't change what a "Fk up" he's been since birth!
***If you don’t live in America & want to live & work in America, you're far bett> off being an asylum seeker than a visa applier.***
Trump & Reps in gen. don't want any entry of the country t/b legal! They exaggerate or make up whole stories of how bad it is to allow "just anyone" to become an American! They put crime on them when most are here to support their families & are > reliable & honest > most! That BS of food stamp abuse is = > ridiculous since it appears Reps want to cut it for everyone; "starve already!" They just don't GAF about the Nat'l safety net! The last thing I heard was Trump's trying to cut funds for the CDC! This coronavirus running rampant & he's downplaying it while Reps want to save a few $$ for their buddies' tax brks & just say "screw the rest of you!" The real killer is, he has a real chance t/b reelected = w/ all his failings! That says > about his supporters > him!
***Now the coronavirus' getting serious.***
By who's standard? From what I hear, Trump's playing it down & recently tried to cut funds for the CDC! How serious are we taking this outbrk? I'm old & just can't GAF if the country's stupid enough to allow this animal to trash every institution that took centuries to estab. & trust! Even the Supreme Court has been affected by his reign of terror! Attacking Justices was supposedly verboten by Reps, but he's openly chastised & insulted the women on the court! That shouldn't be a surprise since Trump's a coward, a misogynist pig, & class< POS!
***I'm a lit'l worried about going to a grocery store to do my shopping as all the media seem t/b telling people to get their Coronavirus kit together now. I foresee a run on water, beer (not Corona) & kale.***
I'm not paying much attn., but there has already been a run on stores for gloves, masks, & diagnosis kits! Trump started by downplaying the disease, not understanding that a simple flu kills 1000's of people every yr.! Making coronavirus comparable to a regular flu is wrong, stupid, & undermines the severity of the virus! Trump's a tool & w/b the end of us if we allow it! So far his actions have been ignored or poo poo'd! "It's up to you America how this goes!" If this blows up, I put it on his supporters & the Rep. party!
***Trump grants clemency to 3 white collar criminals & ex-Gov. Blago. of IL.***
ReplyDelete…And the people who made such a stink about pardons given by Clinton & Obama w/b as quiet as church mice; > like the hypocritical rats they've always been!
***Leave it to liberal media to complain about a tax cut for working class folks. This is how Trump won over "Rust Belt" Dems.
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And then YOU get to pay for the +ed deficit. - Only Obama is allowed to do that!
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Nope, both parties are allowed to do that. By the X it's over, Trump'll have +ed far > Obama did.***
Reps never take responsibility for deficits or the increase in the Nat'l Debt! When they're in charge budgets are just simple bookkeeping periods, but for Clinton & Obama, gov't had t/b shut down! Trump's the 1st rightwing idiot who purposefully shut down the Fed w/ the prodding of Ingraham or Coulter! They're interchangeable really! Trump was w/i hrs of signing a new budget, but FNC called him "a wuz" & he reneged on his promise! People have no idea "it's a HOUSE of CARDs" that are ready to blow over anyX now! Blaming Obama won't cut it since Trump bragged about pushing productivity above previous levels! It's all a card game w/ him, but we're all going to lose in the end!
***Even w/ this corona virus scare, people still can't live in individual bubbles.***
I grew up on sci-fi from Asimov & Bradberry w/ lit'l fear of "Logan's Run" a real possibility due to dwindling resources! It was inevitable that we would poison our own air so gas masks w/b needed! Why is it > of an extreme that simple disease wouldn't put us in the same boat? It's why migration to nearby planets w/b just as feasible since we won't be happy until this one is uninhabitable! Is that too fatalist?
***Hey, I'm w/ you--I've got reservations on Space-X from Cocoa Beach, FL., to far off Disney World on the Planet Orlando. This is reality! In '57 I rode the TWA rocketship from Disneyland, Anaheim to the moon--but there was no oxygen there--only helium & turkey drumsticks.
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The US health system sucks & it suits the gov't to show the overall confirmed corona virus cases as low. The actual # of cases is prob. 10 to 20 X's >er min. No way they want to test on a large scale & release true data. ...Even if you leave off paranoia & conspiracy theories, the truth is the people in the US aren't getting tested in anything like the #'s they are in Italy. Tests not "available." Trump says in so many words that he likes the #'s low. (He doesn't so much speak of the human toll as imply the political cost of "#'s.") Playing this whole thing down isn't really helping us.***
The country has all kinds of potential to stave off a deep recession w/ > needed infrastructure work, but Reps are always slow to recognize a problem! "W" fk'd it up back in '07 w/ Obama needing to do the dirty work of trying to save & rebuild the economy! Trump's ready to blame him already = though last wk. he was touting the economy; fabricating #'s out of his ass as usual! One day reality will smack all these Trump-loyalists up-side the head & I w/b here laughing in their fk'n faces!
***I do NOT blame Trump for the coronavirus. I blame him for his policies that have made it worse. He elim. the office that was created to deal w/ just such a crisis!***
Trump can't stomach any remnants of Obama & Clinton so he goes out of his way to elim. anything they mhb resp. for creating! ...There's been quite a sell off w/ the DOW plummeting the last few days! It was inevitable; a real apocalypse!
***The NBA season's been cancelled. A player pk'd up Covid-19. - The World FS Chp. cancelled as well.***
I'm surprised something like this hadn't happened already! ...Screening was humiliating enough; literally being undressed! ;-(
I'm not exactly thrilled w/ the Dems, but what choice do we have? It really is one of those " seen taking asst. from that woman or any woman; hence his misogynist tendencies to belit'l & undermine them! I'd have > sympathy for them, but they're just another group of "enablers!" They'll continue to overlook his faux pas & make excuses for him since it'll just make them look stupid to do an "about face!" It's too fk'n late, we all look stupid allowing Trump to remain in office = this long, becoming > a dictator!
ReplyDelete***...Fact, thay had an agreement where EVERYONE except Pelosi was on board w/. She stepped in & is playing games.***
Hmmm, you mean like McConnell when he has 1/2 a mind t/b an obstructionist in the Senate? Pelosi's the Speaker & the leader of the HOUSE! If she wants some "+ ons" & saves PPP, that's her prerogative! If you don't like it, take back Congress & run the country into the ground faster! Why don't the hypocrites on "the right" acknowledge increasing budget deficits & the Nat'l Debt ballooning when they were in charge of the purse strings? Such A-Holes!
***...LOL, son I'm not locked into the binary political paradigm like you are. She won't get shit. - Just until the global pandemic is over, at which point we can begin to worry about the economy again.***
Well some aren't seeing it that way! It's been inferred that people over 70 should make the ultimate sacrifice to save our economy! Obviously it's coming from the party that tried to defame the ACA/Obamacare talking about "death panels," now they're suggesting them! Total A-Holes!
***Put down the talking pts & step away from the computer. Your simple repeating of this BS isn't helping anything.***
The a-holes "on the right" have t/b corrected again & again! That's why it seems like I'm repeating myself b/c you guys make it nec.! Retarded right-wingers need the extra enunciation of facts to educate themselves; they're a lit'l slow!
***There's no way for the Dems to spin this to avoid the ass-kicking they have brought upon themselves in the next congressional elections.***
We'll see who gets the ass-kickin'! Just delude yourselves "on the right" thinking "everything w/b fine! We're making America great again!" Yeah right, a great 3rd world nation as the deficits and Nat'l Debt increase exponentially! "Great job!"
***Apparently Fiero obstructionism is acceptable & justify the means, power, and the rest of the country is nothing more than collateral damage. Nat'l Debt only applies to Reps, not some back bench moron spending 8 yrs on the campaign trail. So how did that hope & change game play out for you?***
The Nat'l debt applies to them b/c they're always kvetchin' about it on the campaign trail, but have contributed to it mightily over the decades! It's the hypocrisy of these jerks "on the right" that PO's me to the max! If you hate the country so much, why try to run it? Reps don't have a leg to stand on w/ Russian collusion & treacherous behavior going up and down their digestive tracts! Funny how they went after Obama for "not being American" while Trump sells us piecemeal to Russia & China! I'm too old to care! If we're this stupid, we deserve whatever happens! "Good luck America; you'll need it in the coming yrs!"
***It's an act of unutterable cruelty to force a woman to carry & bear a child of rape. It's an act of unutterable cruelty to take that child's life. Perhaps the rapist s/b charged w/ murder & executed just for setting into motion the need to make such a choice. I've known women that made both decisions; some had abortions, some did not.***
ReplyDeletePeople who oppose abortion don't GAF about the future or the resulting chaos of being forced to give birth to a rapist's baby! You hear horror stories of him getting parental rights or his parents putting in their bid to the drama! This is one sick country when the legal process is brought into life & death dramas exacerbated by politics!
***Trump never made the decision to close businesses due to Covid-19 infections; State & local officials did, & they w/b the ones to open them up again. Trump's expressing no > hope about getting back to normal in 2 wks & everyone knows it.***
All I know is this is a fk'n mess & getting worse all the X! Obama dealt w/ 3 pandemics (X,N1,Eb.) during his 2 terms in office & there was barely a ripple of bad news! W/ Trump it's nothing but bad news no matter how delusional his supporters are by lying to themselves & the rest of us!
***I never gave any of the previous pandemics a 2nd thought. We didn't run out of toilet paper or close the schools. M/b b/c we trusted President Obama & his people to take care of things.***
It's bad leadership, misinfo., & a lack of common sense of their supporters unfortunately! OTTH the last X I remember this kind of panic & coinciding illogical spending was during "W's" term prob. 15+ yrs ago! IIRC there was a scare of poison gas being used against us by terrorists so people ran out and bought tons of plastic wrap to cover their windows!
***The media will want to keep the focus on Coronavirus as long as possible--much > the threat exists--b/c as soon as it wanes, the focus then becomes the election. And Dems are left w/ Joe Biden, who is obviously suffering from advanced dementia.***
Accused by a supporter of a pathological liar & prob. just as demented! The country loses either way!
***Now Trump's spreading a lie that medical personnel are stealing masks, etc. to sell them. How disgusting can he get?***
Trump's proved he can go lower then low! The disgusting part is the support he maintains while others either make excuses for him or deflect pointing the finger somewhere else!
***He applies the usual tactic of when he doesn't like the ??, he blames the ??er for asking it, not answering the actual ??. Thus he never gets held to acct. b/c he constantly deflects.***
Fox News helped him out a bit recently over-talking one of his rants speaking to his ratings giving press conferences over "The Bachelor!" The guy's so touched in the head! People are dying & all he can think of are polls & ratings!
***Isn't it awesome that De Santis puts Miami & a few other counties on lock down & doesn't do a thing for the rest of the state where most of the elderly are? So friggin' happy my folks made it out of the state while there was still X.***
I have elderly relatives in West Palm Beach! Not too concerned since they live on a golf course in a closed community! I still wouldn't want t/b there though! The repres. has been shady @ best for decades since Christy! W/ some underplaying the severity of our situation, I just heard that Fox News m/b begging not t/b sued! Not sure they'll be saved or s/b if & when we get thru this!
***...Why does GOD hate us? - WTF DID WE DO BRO?
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I've been SMH since Bush went into Iraq. It's all been downhill from there.***
That's what I said; the country so fk'd up they go from Clinton w/ an economy exploding & the Nat'l Debt coming down to some numb-nut they don't = know who starts 2 wars, gives away the budget sur+, & leaves the economy in shambles! They elect Obama who survives all the slings & arrows of cons. wanting him to fail, brought us all the way back, now we're back to incompetent leadership w/ an unwillingness to admit the error! I guess after a few 100,000 people croak they'll start to open their fk'n eyes, but I doubt it! Partisanship is @ an all X high = now! They're still cheerleading on FNS & looking all the > crazy doing it!
***When you elect people who campaign on how horrible the federal gov't is then that's what you get.***
Reps have been playing that card since I was a kid, but they all want to work for the Fed & hold the jobs until they die! ...It's > a lit'l pathetic when the American people allow such disgusting behavior by our gov't, but @ my age I don't GAF any>! They've worn me down that I can't = put up a fight! We spend most of our X correcting lies & misrepresentations by cons. & Reps so nothing gets done in the end! We've been turned into a 3rd world nation overnight!
***As they march in unison down the middle of the street holding others @ bay, threatening, harassing & battering your fellow citizens we'll pick them off from the rooftops.*
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No one really cares in DC about America! That’s been true for yrs!***
Obviously true! Even the legis. passed that's supposed to support the "people" winds up favoring POLS, their cronies, & the rich! We're responsible for it sending the same a-holes back term after term! Going "R" really hurts!
***Can't stand Hannity. He's like a robot, but w/ very limited phraseology programming. Even now, after many, many yrs, he still drops "throw granny off a cliff," "dirty air, dirty water." I'm down to watching his show twice a wk. since I feel it's sufficient for now to fulfill my need to yell out STFU X X's, a kind of release if you will that makes me feel better for having yelled it out.***
I started watching Sean back from the start with Alan Colmes! The evening line-up/Network was new w/ Bill O'Reilly & Catherine Crier! I had no prob. watching their small bent "right" back in '97, but over X it became obscene! I still watch Wash'ton Journal Report on Sat. & "The Beltway Boys" segment of Bret Baier's, "Fox News Watch!" After they allowed Shephard Smith to walk last yr., I was just about done w/ them! They no longer have a legit anchor working as far as I'm concerned! The entire network is unwatchable due to their "leanings," ignorance while "running Trump" from their Editor & news desks, & their total hypocrisy allowing Russia/Putin carte blanche these last few yrs to influence our political affairs! "Thanks Rupert!"
***Russia's barely a bit player. They're a D-list country like K-Mart.***
That's what makes it all the more criminal IMO; our own Congress has been the real bad actors using Putin & his agents as cover for their own disgusting acts! I suppose people have totally forgotten Nunez & his late night runs to the WH to inform them exactly what was going on in the investigations into Trump & his admin.! People have totally blown off the Emoluments clause of the Constitution w/ Trump running his businesses right out of the Oval Office! The Kushners have been taking advantage of their Pop's position as well! I can go on, but no one seems to GAF that this tin horn dictator has brought this country down low; actually looking 3rd world right now w/ us hiding in our huts!
Trump & McConnell have been running things like a banana republic for yrs! It was worse when Reps ran the House! It's hard to believe people have forgotten all that's gone on w/ one illegal act after another perpetrated right before our eyes! It'll keep Congress quite busy after Trump leaves office to go over every charge I can think of!
ReplyDelete***FYI, I'm a cons. I just don't believe in Trump like you idoits.***
I wish that was enough! Cons. shouldn't have a leg to stand on after allowing Trump carte blanche to abuse his office, the Constit., & to lie w/ impunity! Fk., Ann Coulter's a cons.! The company isn't what I'd want to keep so I wouldn't brag! Being a lib's no consolation in this country, but I'll take them over a stinking cons. anyX!
***Trump & FNC pushing hydroxychloroquine to deal w/ Covid-19.***
Let those fools poison themselves! They can thank their stupid, fear< leader as they drop like flies! Fk'n idiots!
***Trump never said the pandemic was a hoax.***
I feel so sorry for you pathetic people! You believe anything; including Trump's a great businessman! What a bunch of suckers!
***I bet you've never felt so superior in your whole life & this is all a rush for you that you enjoy. More death!***
If & when it happens, guess what history will say about all you clowns supporting this monster in the Oval Office? Get your jollies now b/c it's all going to blow up in your fk'n faces soon! I won't really GAF b/c this was done "by the people!" Russia assisted, but the stupidity en masse can't be measured! We're not getting any smarter here in the world w/ other countries electing "politicos of -ity!" I'm glad t/b an old Fk. that doesn't have t/b bothered w/ you cretinous losers for much longer if I'm lucky!
***GA Gov. Kemp will issue a shelter-in-place order for Georgia residents on Thurs. to help stop the spread of the coronavirus, well after other states like CA, OH, & MD had already taken such action.
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I guess Kemp got his info from FNC & only recently switched to the "deep state" media.***
I doubt this whh if those fools had elected someone who believes in science like Stacey Abrams! The South in gen.'s gonna get hit hard w/ this thing & need the most asst.! Yep, what else c/b said?
***Trump promised 1 M tests w/b avail., but in fact there were only 75,000.***
This country will never fk'n learn! You put Reps in charge, they try to make people feel good temp. w/ tax cuts & other free $$ that mainly goes to their cronies, but it invariably goes to shit! They're the ones kvetchin' about the Nat'l Debt, budget deficits, high taxes, & other wasteful spending like on abortions that aren't happening! It's hard to feel sorry for us when we repeat this cycle of insanity asking Dems to "fix it," then their reward is to have it all turned around by a-holes like "W" & Trump! We deserve whatever becomes of us electing such a sociopathic creature to the highest office in the land!
***Sailors reportedly 'livid' over bashing of captain - “He told the sailors that he had to fire Capt. Crozier b/c of his indiscretion in sending up that memorandum & how that got to the media, but here he is, blasting this stuff out."***
Trump looks for & demands loyalty & trustworthiness from people he works w/, but he turns on a dime so he truly breeds lit'l else but contempt! I'm sure > 1 sailor on that ship is "giving up" the Comm.-In-Chief! Like we s/b fk'n surprised how class< this admin. runs itself! That w/b asinine w/ a true lack of common sense!
***Djokovic vs Nadal since '11 - 9 yrs of domination
ReplyDeleteSince start of '11 the rivalry stands @ 22-10 in favour of Novak. This includes a 6-1 run for Nadal.
- Surface-wise distr.:
Clay: 7-8
Indoor HC: 2-0
Outdoor HC: 11-2
Grass: 2-0
Novak has won 14 of last 18 matches, 12 of which are str. sets. In one of his run inbtwn this streak Djokovic went 7 matches w/o losing a set (6-3 6-3; 7-5 6-3 6-1; 6-2 6-2; 6-3 6-3;6-1 6-2; 7-6(5) 6-2; 7-5 7-6(4)). ...In fact if you consider the 7-5 1st set @ FO & that Novak was leading it 5-1 or something makes it look = > horrible for Nadal.
...Something brings the best out of Novak when facing Federer. I think it's Nadal who brings the beast out him > anyone. Nadal since '11 has been a similar (if not > of a) pigeon to Novak like Fed had been to Nadal til '13.
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Novak has been the best player of the last decade, ...there's no excuse for Nadal for any of his losses to Novak, though his best tennis was clearly behind him by '15. What's totally unexpected is this late surge from the Big-3 starting from '17.
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Djokovic has the perfect build to last the longest & brk all of the recs. He has maintained his peak the longest of the Big 3. I wouldn't be surprised to see him own nearly all of the important recs when this is all said & done. He'll likely be remembered as the greatest.
Nadal’s best yrs are behind him. Injuries have robbed him of valuable speed. He’s still quite good. Djokovic is still near his top form. Fed has fallen off quite a bit due to age (oldest player ranked in the top 100 currently).
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That '14-16 per. was when they started getting older, approached 30. Djokovic adapted to his age, Nadal didn't. Novak got him a big serve & > efficiency. Nadal kept trying to grind w/ a weak 1st serve. Novak also changed the way he played Rafa from '14 onward, thanks to the blueprt. he made along w/ Becker, where the play was to attack the FH to open up the BH side. Djokovic was not playing Nadal that way B4, he was simply using his overall higher level of play to win. It was not just Nadal getting older, it was also the real gameplan to attack & beat Nadal that to this day Nadal had not really solved.
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We can't ignore Rafa's dominance over Djoker before '11.***
Sure we can! Why acknowledge the era where a newbie had to beat either or both Fedal to win any & every tourn. @ the X? All others quit, ran out of gas, or never got to a level close enough to bring down "The Big 3" = though they're aging & have lost a step or 2!
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***Honestly, I suspect the call to have FS Worlds & ignore the many of the skaters’ wishes is < about having Worlds or the skaters &'s > about making some political pt.***
Int'l sports has always been a political exercise in the > knowing eyes of the world! It's just another way of saying "we're > you!" At least it's not being fought out behind the barrel of a gun, but it's no < intense when you look @ it closely! Some w/ intent > overt than others, it's still a measure of men = if it has lit'l to do w/ goodness, morality, or charity! More > likely it's very self-serving when it comes to the individual athlete! We'll still watch no matter the motive or circumstance! Anyone thinking there w/b a fan ban if Worlds came off regard< of the pandemic?
***...Puts > emphasis on the fact that using wks @ #1 as a stat to compare players is completely flawed.***
ReplyDeleteIt's just one of many ways/stats used to measure the era of tennis @ the X! Obviously the standards have improved/increased along the way w/ physical fitness > key than it was in my day! At one X we lauded Sampras as THE GOAT = w/o a FO final on his resume! We decided it was enough that he was the YE #1 player 6 yrs in a row, held the top rank for 286 wks, along w/ those 14 Majors! Lit'l did he/we know it wouldn't hold up for = a decade w/ Fed winning 3 Majors in a season 3 X's w/ 2 > players acquiring them just as quickly behind Fed!
***...Can you imagine what Safin whb capable of (achieved) if only he was as dedicated, regimented & mentally focused as Federer?***
I'm one who's put Safin on a pedestal all to himself yrs ago due to the raw talent I saw in him! He was a > powerful "Ilie Nastase!" Both could do things no other player on a regular basis! It wasn't like Fed's "excuse me" type winners! Even though I like Nalbandian's game, I wasn't watching tennis enough around then to give him that much credit, but that 5 set comeback to win the YEC over Roger in '05 has t/b a highlight of his career! I take away pts due to his blowup & subsequent default when winning Queens back in '12!
***Yeah, Safin had Pete like talent, just raw power & accuracy. Both top tier talent, but I still think Fed beats them, but yeah Safin had tons of talent too. ...Safin was also tough matchup for Fed, I don't think it's fair to just compare them vs each other when considering talent, we need to compare how they both did vs entire field & Fed was able to adjust, Safin wasn't, so Fed has > talent.
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Big 3 highest win % vs the field:
'20 - - 34-2 (94.4%)
'11 - 188-18 (91.3%)
'12 - 177-19 (90.3%)
'13 - 182-21 (89.7%)
'15 - 193-24 (88.9%)
'14 - 173-22 (88.7%)
Djokovic's score vs Big 3 in these seasons --> 34-16
Definitve proof that peak Djokovic beats peak Fedal ;)
These were also peak yrs of Murray whom he owned 17-6. We could say that he dom. 51-22 peak Big 4.
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Novak keeps owning Rafa, but the SOB is still racking up the majors. He's won 10 GS in the period/decade.***
Djokovic has single-handedly kept Nadal from winning a lot >; final after final going to Nole starting in '11! Nadal got his FO's, but Djokovic got most everything else!
***Nadal has hurt Djokovic > the other way around, that's all I care about.***
How do you figure? You think Nadal keeping > FO's under his column is driving Nole insane? Doubtful w/ him acquiring a lot > recs of significance including wks @ #1, his > balanced resume, so many > AO's & YEC's, w/ > others defining his consistency over the yrs! Nadal's recs show he's a clay specialist for the most part! Being called the GOAT w/ only 1 AO & 2 Wimbls. in this weak era outside the Big 3 is inexcusable!
***Avg. btw win % vs older players & winning % vs younger players:
ReplyDelete1) Djokovic 84.60%
2) Nadal 83.25%
3) Connors 82.34%
4) Federer 81.75%
5) Lendl 81.45%
6) McEnroe 81.39%
7) Laver 80.10%
8) Borg 79.18%
9) Sampras 77.28%
10) Murray 76.80%
In Grand Slams:
1) Djokovic 88.93%
2) Borg 88.29%
3) Nadal 87.73%
4) Federer 86.56%
5) Sampras 84.24%
6) Connors 84.00%
7) Agassi 82.13%
8) McEnroe 81.93%
9) Murray 81.02%
10) Lendl 81.00%
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...Djokr's come a long way in closing the H2H w/ Nadal. But @ the same X ignoring the fact that Rafa was ill or injured for most of those yrs.***
That is such horseshit! You said it a few X's, but I kept ignoring it! Now I'm gonna call you out! No one GAF if Nadal was injured or not! You wouldn't GAF if Nole was hurt or emotionally spent! You need to get over it; NOLE owns Rafa's ass lock, stock, & barrel no matter how you want to look @ it! Nadal had a huge H2H lead, but it's gone now w/ 2 7-match winning strks; something no one else has come close to includ. Fed! So Rafa fans need to face up to the facts, = though ahead by 2 majors, it's only a matter of X B4 Djokovic stands atop the mount of GOAT!
***And YET Nole trails Nadal in USO titles, that's all we're saying. Good for him, but what trophies is it giving him in New York?***
Dude, why do this again? It's only going to get embarrassing when it's so easy to pt. out Nole has a > bal. resume, while owning some recs Nadal's nowhere near ready to challenge! At the YEC alone it can't be ignored Djokovic owns a bunch of titles while Nadal's only made 2 finals; @ X's not = making it out of the RR's! Who's on the verge of taking over wks @ #1? It's not Rafa who's never been able to hold the top rank for = a yr., much < acquire enough wks to make a move on Fedovic! Of course Nole's the only player to win all 14 ATP major events; 23 X X's! Fedal are not going to pick up those last 2 holes in their resumes either! Do we really need to go on? Djokovic is nowhere near my all X fave, but I know his rec. is superior to Fedal = though they're still barely ahead in the major ct.! People love to throw out that Fed's 5-6 yrs older, but hypocritically aren't thinking Nole has that many yrs to surpass all of Fed's supposedly untouchable recs! End RANT!
***I don't remember Nadal skipping any Slams in the last few yrs. I do remember him getting beat by Djokovic the last 3 X's they met in Slams!***
Well you can put it that Rafa said "No Mas" in both major HC tourneys 2 yrs ago! He was down to Cilic @ the AO & waved the white flag in the 5th set, then later @ the USO after so many tough matches leading up to it, he bowed out after 2 sets to Del Po in the QF's!
***1st or 2nd Rd. exits in Slams (128 players draws):
ReplyDeleteBorg 1/26 (3.8%)
Rosewall 1/13 (7.7%)
Djokovic 5/60 (8.3%)
Federer 7/79 (8.9%)
Laver 1/11 (9.1%)
Nadal 7/59 (11.9%)
Ashe 3/25 (12.0%)
Murray 6/48 (12.5%)
Connors 10/54 (18.5%)
Newcombe 3/15 (20.0%)
Becker 9/43 (20.9%)
Lendl 11/52 (21.2%)
Raonic 7/32 (21.9%)
Tsonga 10/45 (22.2%)
Roche 3/13 (23.1%)
McEnroe 10/43 (23.3%)
Tanner 7/29 (24.1%)
Agassi 16/61 (26.2%)
Sampras 14/52 (26.9%)
Roddick 13/46 (28.3%)
Nishikori 11/39 (28.2%)
Wilander 12/40 (30.0%)
Cilic 15/49 (30.6%)
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Matches won vs players outside the top 20:
Borg 95/99 (96.0%)
Federer 259/272 (95.2%)
Connors 188/199 (94.5%)
Djokovic 199/211 (94.3%)
Murray 146/156 (93.6%)
Nadal 199/214 (93.0%)
Laver 40/43 (93.0%)
Lendl 167/182 (91.8%)
Edberg 148/164 (90.2%)
McEnroe 127/141 (90.1%)
Agassi 174/194 (89.7%)
Sampras 148/165 (89.7%)
Roche 52/58 (89.7%)
Rosewall 69/77 (89.6%)
Del Potro 75/85 (88.2%)
Newcombe 67/76 (88.2%)
Becker 127/145 (87.6%)
Tsonga 99/113 (87.6%)
Wilander 112/128 (87.5%)
Nishikori 83/95 (87.4%)
Ashe 84/97 (86.6%)
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Totally disagree about Serena. How she's considered ahead of Graf makes no sense to me. Graf has 1 < Slam & the CYGS - the toughest thing to do in tennis. When Graf retired @ 31 she had 13 > slams > Serena @ 31 - 13! She's the only woman in the modern game to do it and it was a Golden Slam to boot! I would much rather have Graf's career achievements > Serena's.***
The thing is, I also have an asterisk behind Graf's name due to Seles' stabbing! How she went about her business after one of her countrymen assaulted her rival is still beyond me! IMO, no one can ever outdo the career of Navratilova! She truly has twice as many accolades as most greats! OTTH she won 167 singles, 177 doubles, had well over 300 wks as #1, 59 majors (18S, 31D, & 10 MxD), owns the Box Set as of '03 AO MxD title, played all major events for 20 years, retired for 6 yrs only to return to continue winning dubs tourns. until she was nearly 50 yo @ the '06 USO MxD final! She didn't take extended vacations away from the tour like Serena either who I consider an "underachiever" after all's said & done! She didn't stay in shape, preferring to play her way into a tourney & had too many outside interests!
***I can actually see Martina as the Goat. She won so many titles & had a truly dom. few yrs. I don't think you can blame Graf - she visited Seles in the hospital. What was she supposed to do? You prob. have to say Martina was the best all around female player in history if you count singles & dubs.
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I think that Serena will go down in history as the GOAT. She has been so good over such a long per. of X. Truly amazing. Sadly, I think that her pregnancy put aside any chance of her surpassing Margaret Court for most singles Slams of all X. ...As for the men, I'd stick w/ Roger, = if Rafa passes him for career singles Slams. At his best, Roger was unbelievable. He hit shots that no one else in the world could hit. He redefined the game. Rafa's top heavy @ RG (12 titles), ...But it also showed that Roger was not afraid to play him on clay, & knew that he'd prob. lose.***
***CAREER EARNINGS FED NADAL DJOKR
ReplyDeleteTurned Pro: - - - - - - '98 - '01 - '03
Prize $$$(M) - - - - - 129.9 121.0 143.6
Career rec.w/l: 1242-272 990-200 911-187
Career record % - 82.0% - 83.2% - 83.0%
Career Titles: - - - 103 - - 85 - - - 79
Highest ranking: - - #1 ALL Three GUYS
Wks @ #1 - - - - - - - 310 - 209 - - 282
GRAND SLAMS: - - - - 20 - 19 - - - 17
AO: W ('4'6-7'10'17-18)-('09)-('08,'11-13,'15-16,'19-20)
FO: W ('09) - - - W ('05-08,'10-14,'17-19) - - - W ('16)
Wimb: W ('3-7,'9,'12,'17) W ('8'10) W ('11'14-15'18-19)
USO: W ('4-8) - - W ('10,'13,'17,'19) - W ('11,'15,'18)
OTHER COMPS: - - - - 7 - - - - - 6 - - - - - 5
YEC's: - W ('03-04,'06-07,'10-11) F(2) W ('08,'12-15)
Olympics: F ('12) - - - - - - - W ('08) - - Bronze ('08)
Davis Cup: W ('14) - W ('04,'08-09,'11,'19) - W ('10)
MASTERS 1000: - - 28 - - - - 35 - - - - - - - - 34
IW: W ('4-6,'12,'17) W ('7,'9,'13) W ('8,'11,'14-16)
M: W ('5-6,'17,'19) - F(5) - - - W ('07,'11,'12,'14-16)
MC: F (4)- - - W ('05-12,'16,'17-18) - - W ('13,'15)
H/M: W('2'4'5'7/'9'12) W ('8/'10'13-14'17) W ('11'16'19)
Rome SF(2) - W ('5-7,'9-10'12-13'18-19) W ('8'11'14'15)
Can: W ('4'6) - W ('5'8'13'18'19) - - W ('07,'11-12,'16)
Cincy: W ('5'7'9-10'12'14-15) W ('13) - - - W ('18)
Sh/MI W ('06/14'17) - - W ('05) - - W ('12-13,'15,'18)
Paris: - W ('11) - - - - F ('07) - - - W ('09,'13-15,'19)
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...Murray's by far the > consistent player, but Wawrinka's the > talented.
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Exactly. Throw in a WTF + many, many > Masters 1000 wins for Murray. He's miles ahead of Stan. - Not only that, but the only guys to ever beat Murray in Slam Finals are Fed & Djok. That's it. And he still got Djok 2x. He also made QFs or >er @ Wimbl. from '08-17.
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Once he made his 1st QF, he made @ least that or >er every season for 10 yrs. Everything he did during that 10-yr. span of '08-17 suggests that he'd have had an easy ATG resume had = 1 of those other guys been a soccer player. Oh & he's the only tennis player, M or F, w/ 2 OG's. Two! We give Rafa a ton of credit for his OG, but Murray has 2 & 1 came @ Fed's expense @ Wimbl. after having lost the final earlier that yr. giving him the confidence to bounce back & blow Djok off the court in strs. in '13.
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Murray was a good player in his prime, but I don't see why he's = mentioned in a sentence w/ the Big 3?
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Anyone who already was watching tennis in '08 would know why the terms "Big 4" & "Golden Gen." were created. ...To be clear, newbies will not understand why Murray is one of the members of Big 4, whereas people who started watching tennis from '08 & earlier would know where the term Big 4 came from & why Murray is counted as one of them.***
Unfortunately Stan was > the underachiever of the 2! Allowing old man Fed to own him all these yrs made no sense! He has the >er & > powerful BH, but has very lit'l success vs the "Big 3!"
***He's def. a late bloomer, starting playing his best tennis in his late 20's after working w/ Magnus Norman. I believe it's all matchups. He def. doesn't fare well vs Fed, but's the >est threat to Djoker whenever they meet in Slams. Stan's GS wins & performances are memorable & keeps you in awe while Murray's wins not so much.***
***The rivalry since '11 c/b summarized in this way:
ReplyDelete- Even In of those events, but the game started on grass, grass is a huge part of tennis history. Most people agree Wimbl. is the most prestigious tourn., so it should absolutely have a Masters level lead up.***
I think to incorporate a grass Masters w/b rather simple IMO if they look @ the model of the ATP Cup! Since Halle, Queens, Eastbourne, & Brisbane don't have enough courts on their own to support a "1000" event, m/b use all or some of the venues to deal w/ the larger draw! It'd take a lot of coop. since everyone would want to headline the SF & Final; m/b move it around like the Roger's Cup/Canadian Open!
***Who's the smartest tennis player both in terms of on the court & off.***
I think I heard Nole speaks 11 languages including Chinese from the site of his fave small event!
***Sir Andy Murray.***
Doubtful! How smart can he be to allow Lendl to walk out on him when his major successes occurred during his tenure "in the box?" Besides that, who'd think "I can outlast & out-rally Nadovic from the baseline & be as successful as I want t/b!" What an idiot that couldn't adjust his game when going vs the "Big 3!"
***ROFL @ your idiocy in stating that Edberg, who is miles ahead of Murray in every parameter of achievement is being exaggerated to make Murray look bad.***
I believe Edberg max'd out his abilities & chances while Murray was > of a knucklehead who decided, "I can outlast the best thru fitness alone!" Murray had nothing other players didn't! He just wore himself out prematurely by hugging the baseline for no other reason than to prove something to himself! He got away w/ it a few X's vs Djokovic, but he failed miserably vs Fedal when it counted; sans '12 OG! He started out well having a H2H lead over Roger 8-3, but that was it; most of the X after that Roger str.-setted the whipper-snapper from Scotland! I'll take Edberg over Murray in every category though; looks, style of play, sportsmanship, & class!
***Easily Rafa. He knows enough only to play Fed almost always on slow courts & lose early on indoor so keeping that h2h good. He also always has an excuse ready for the end of the yr. so no one suspects anything. Dude's a genius.***
Yep, real genius! He's suckered so many, including McEnroe & Wilander into believing he was the GOAT yrs ago due to "owning" Roger from the beginning 15 yrs ago! I say it's a fallacy &'ll continue t/b so w/ such an imbalanced resume; most of his wins on clay! He's bereft of a WTF & has only 1 AO after all these yrs! Holding onto the #1 ranking has also been difficult w/ an inability to get anywhere near the top of that category! He's still faking out the so called experts & of course his fans!
***Djokovic Top 2 >est win %'s Among Active Players in 13 of 14 Annual Big Tournaments:
- AO - 1) Djokovic 90.36, 2) Fed 87.18
-- RG - 1) Nadal 97.89, 2) Djokovic 82.93
-- WI - 1) Fed 88.60, 2) Djokovic 87.80
- USO - 1) Djokovic 86.75, 2) Fed 86.41
-- YEC - 1) Fed 77.63, 2) Djokovic 72.00
- IW's - 1) Djokovic 84.75, 2) Nadal 84.38
- Miami - 1) Djokovic 86.27, 2) Fed 80.00
-- MC - 1) Nadal 93.42, 2) Djokovic 75.56
-- Ham/Madrid - 1) Nadal 84.76, 2) Fed 84.48
-- Rome - 1) Nadal 91.04, 2) Djokovic 84.75
- Can - 1) Djokovic 84.09, 2) Nadal 82.61
-- Cinci - 1) Fed 82.46, 2) Djokovic 74.47
-- Madr/Shan - 1) Murray 84.21, 2) Djokovic 83.33
- Bercy - 1) Djokovic 82.22, 2) Nadal 79.17***
***Djokovic leads 3-1 Fed @ Wimbl.; 3-0 in finals.
ReplyDeleteWhat other ATGs were dom. in their fave Slam?
- Nadal @ RG (12X chp): never lost a final
- Djokovic @ AO (8X chp): never lost a final
- Sampras @ WI (7X chp): never lost a final
- Borg @ RG (6X chp): never lost a final
- Fed @ AO (6X chp): lost 1 final to Nadal
- Borg @ WI (5X chp): lost 1 final to McEnroe
- Djokovic @ WI (5X chp): lost 1 final to Murray
No one won X finals over a 4+ X chp., except Djokovic who won 3 @ Wimbl. over Fed. A unique case in tennis history.
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Fed from '08-13 had these h2h vs players (career top 10 best ranking reached) that he met in the following yrs. too:
vs Djokovic 11-14
vs Murray 8-10
vs Nadal 4-14
vs Hewitt 5-1...
total '08-13 score --> 131-66 (66.5%)
Since '14:
vs Djokovic 7-12
vs Murray 5-0
vs Nadal 6-2
vs Hewitt 0-1
vs Haas 1-1...
Total '14-20 score --> 113-35 (76.4%)
Since '14 Fed improved a lot his h2h vs ops of '08-13
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Fed's '11 FO win over Djokovic was a complete non-sequitur! He was declining quickly on clay while Djokovic was unbeaten all yr. Everything pt'd toward a Nadal-Djokovic showdown in the final. Then Fed comes out of nowhere, beats Djokovic, & = gave Nadal a fight in the final.***
Being undefeated @ the X permits upsets that shouldn't happen! It occurred w/ Nav'ova @ the worst possible X @ the end of '84! She was going for the CYGS, 7 majors in a row, 75 str. victories, & immortality no matter what anyone else was to do after her; = Graf & Serena! She looked t/b in command of her SF "down under" vs Helena Sukova, a very talented Czech player in her own right who came up after Martina & Mandlikova! No one thought it poss. to avoid another Evert/Nav'ova clash after Martina had destroyed Chris in Paris, London, & got thru in 3 @ USO! ...Sukova took the 3rd 7-5, then dropped her match vs Evert!
***Murray has done those things, but nowhere near to the level of Roger, Rafa, & Novak. Roger has 28 ATP M-1000 titles, Rafa 35, Novak 34. Murray has 14, 1/2 as many. Murray has 41 wks @ #1, Novak 282, Rafa 208, Roger 310.
Name -Yrs Act. Ov.Rec.WO.Rec.L W% T.s+Wks@#1#GSQF/SF/F#GS SF/F #GSF.GS ATPF.SF/F ATPF.YEC M-1MF.M-1M
Federer 22 1242 271 82.09% 103 1 310 58 46 31 20 16 10 4 50 28
- Nadal 19 -990 200 83.19% 85 -1 209 41 33 27 19 -5 -2 0 51 35
Djokovc 17 -911 187 82.97% 79 -1 282 45 37 26 17 -8 -7 5 50 34
-Murray 15 -673 196 77.45% 46 -1 -41 30 20 11 -3 -4 -1 0 21 14
Wawrnka 18 -523 301 63.47% 16 -3 -0 -18 -9 -4 -3 -3 -0 0 -4 -1
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Murray's Big 4, but he's not an ATG. I think we can make this distinction.***
Earlier I put Murray "up there" & comparable to G. Vilas who was also the punching bag of the Big 3 of his era, Borg, Connors, & McEnroe! Both were "fake" #1's for about a min., won a handful of majors, & distinguished themselves on the tour! They were perennial R-ups though!
***Murray was never a fake #1. He earned that ranking.***
M/b, but it cost him! The surgeries will continue into his old age due to the ridic. way he played the game! IMO it's still a joke when you have another player (NOLE) w/ 2 majors, 4 Masters, & was a finalist in another major + the YEC! How does one justify giving the #1 ranking to someone else b/c he flew around playing every 500 event he could find & snatched the top rank on the very last match of the season? Sorry, those are the facts! Murray got the notoriety of being #1 for '16, put himself in the rec.bks, but he's still the Big 3's bitch!
***You also have to factor in that the Olympucs didn't award Murray any pts which was unfair. And I do agree that Murray needed a 2nd slam to really make his ranking a slam dunk. Alas...
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Whether it cost him or not, he earned the #1 ranking by winning 9 titles including a Slam (+ 2 other finals), the WTF, 3 Masters 1000s (+ 2 other finals) & the Olympics ... cemented it by beating the former #1 in the YEC!***
...Nole's run to #1 started w/ Serbia taking DC, marching him into a run for the ages winning AO, The Sunshine Double, then dom. his rival, Rafa in final after final on clay in Madrid & Rome in strs.! If not for Fed playing out of his mind & serving Djokovic off the court in the SF, Paris might've solidified Nole's dom. over Fedal a lot earlier!
ReplyDelete***'11 was supposed to have been Nadal cementing his legacy as an all surface great & getting closer to Fed's total. He would've had 12 Slams after '11, 14 after '12, & 16 after '13. He would've reached Fed's 17 in '14, whereas it took him until '18 w/ Djokovic around. No one saw Djokr '11 coming.***
It changed the course of history; just those few months starting '11! Fedal was being replaced by Nadovic except in the hearts & minds of the tennis intelligentsia & MSM!
***If you could keep everything the same, right now Nadal would have 24 Slams & Fed would have 26 w/o Djokovic. It def. changed the course of history. - He'd have led a much >er & > fulfilling life had Novak not become the subject of his obsession.
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Nadal would've cleaned up in '11 just like he did in '10 if not for Earth's Mightiest Warrior. - Nadal '11 played @ a >er level > '10, but faced peak BOAT instead of Berdych, Soderling, Youzny, pre-gluten baby Djokovic.***
That's why I apprec. Nole so much I created a blog in his honor! He single-handedly changed the course of history b/c so called experts had already anointed Rafa the new GOAT w/ his winning H2H over Fed! McEnroe & Wilander were beating the drum early & often! Nole spared my sanity; "THANKS!"
***I also thought it w/b the Nadal Era after Fed started declining. It just seemed like CYGS was imminent, w/ Djokovic the only hope to resist his dom. And he sure resisted!
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Novak’s rise in '11 were the =alent to the Golden State Warriors rise around '15. It looked like LeBron was on his way to GOAThood after his 2nd title in Miami & he may have won 4 titles in a row w/o GS, likely putting him past Jordan. Nadal may have won 10/13 majors btw ‘10 RG & ‘13 USO, which prob. puts him ahead of Fed.
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As Novak accepts his USO R-up trophy, he had 1 GS title while coming up short to Rafa & Roger. After '10, Fed had 16 slams, 9 for Rafa, 1 for Novak. From '11-16, Novak gets to 18 slam finals out of 24, winning 11. In that span, he went 143-13 for 91.6%. By the end of '16, Novak closed the major gap to Roger 17, Rafa 14, Novak 12. An amazing 6 yr. run; almost as impressive as Fed’s 6 yr. run from '03-08.
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All these players could've been the title holders of 3 slams w/o Nole:
'11-12 Nadal (all 4)
'12-13 Murray (UO,AO,WI)
'14-15 Murray (UO,AO,RG)
'15-16 Fed (WI,UO,AO)
'16 Murray (AO,RG,WI)
'18-19 Nadal (RG,WI,AO)
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In terms of potentially lost GS & Masters titles, Fed lost > Nadal to Djokovic. Fed's already GOAT of longevity, but he m/b the certain GOAT overall if Djokovic didn't exist.
From '15 to today, Fed went 1-4 vs Djokovic in Masters & 1-3 in finals. Also went 2-1 vs Djokovic in Tour Finals, but 2 of his wins came in RR & he lost a final to Djokovic. He's 0-5 vs Djokovic in GS, 0-3 in finals. Fed lost 7 finals (3 GS, 1 TF, 3 M) vs Djokovic when he had a chance to solidify his status as the GOAT. And the X's he lost to Novak, it was in SF's w/ Fed having a great chance to win those tourns.
Though it cuts 3 ways, Djokovic took away from Fedal. Nadal took away from Fedovic. Fed took away from Nadovic. Nothing t/b surprised about.***
The Olympics'll continue t/b an "exhibitious" joke to me! It started that way when Edberg won the 1st in '84 & it'll always be a glorified exh. IMO! ...I give short shrift to the Olympics! We have enough in the majors & Masters which are special events!
ReplyDelete***But whatever you may feel about Olympic tennis, to the players who took part & won medals it's a very big thing & still an achievement t/b respected. To say otherwise is to kind of disrespect those players who took part.
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What was the best possible prediction that anyone could've made about Djokivic in early '10? In '07 I predicted about 5-6 Slams. I then revised that down to 2 or 3 in '10, but after '11/12, I increased my prediction to 12 Slams. In '14-15 I raised it to 15 Slams, & it's 17 Slams & counting.
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In '10, I'd've said 2-3. By the end of '11 I was saying @ least 12. Then '13 happened (s/b forbidden by law to mention) & I thought he w/b lucky to get there. In '15-16 I thought he w/b able to surpass Fed. In '17 early-'18 I thought he'd never win another slam. Now I'm certain that I've no Idea what's going to happen.
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I've gotten made fun of on here since '16 for simply asking if Djokovic can pass Fed. If not for an 11th hr. 3 slam surge by the old man it would've already happened. Well, been =ed. For a lit'l longer. I think Djokovic's going to beat out both Fedal by the X it's all said & done in the slam race. I really do. And I honestly always have since about '14 onwards. I could obviously be wrong, but in my gut I've always thought that way. Un< sev. players suddenly step up, he's not slowing down any X soon. And I emphasize sev. B/c = one guy depriving him every now & again won't be enough to stop him from 21+, IMO.
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...Personally, Djokovic is the best I've ever watched & I've said it many X's. He's a lot > like me personality-wise > Fed's. A lot of people tend to favor those in individual sports who're similar to us. I took a liking to Fed b/c I liked how he handled himself in the '08 Wimbl. match, despite losing. I instantly became a fan that day.
I think @ the Big 3's absolute best, it's a total crapshoot affair on anything but clay when it comes to Rafa. They all have a legit. claim toward being the BOAT. There are 1000's of players we've never watched or players we're not = alive to see. So the GOAT debate has always been a bit silly to me for that reason.
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'14 Wimbl. forever changed my opinion of Djokovic; for the >er. Never hated him, but wasn't honest about how good he was before then either. In hindsight I'm sort of = happy Fed didn't win. B/c I needed that fresh perspective, it helped me take sports a lot < seriously & to just enjoy the sport again. When Fed had his resurgence it was easy to get bitterly disappointed again @ his close losses b/c we as a fandom got to taste winning again...But '14 Wimby helped me deal w/ any loss from then onwards as well; '19 Wimbl. includ. in that.
Now for Fed fans that can't stand the guy, yeah I get it. But I've always liked Djokovic - or at least not hated him. So it made the losses a lot easier to handle. SomeX's I'll get annoyed (& engage in) the bickering on here. But we're all human & that happens. lol! I'm going to miss all 3 of them when they're gone, that's for sure.
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All of the Big 3 have t/b cherished. It's so silly to keep fighting who's >er. Many of us are spending > X to hate on the opp. > cherish the wins & the incredible matches they've given us.
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I think Novak will win @ least 8 > slams easily. Fed from age 32-38 won 3 & would have won 8-9 w/o the GOAT stopping him. Novak's already aging much >er so will surpass grandpa Fed’s #'s w/ ease.***
***Djokovic won by far the most finals over ATGs in the Open Era:
ReplyDeleteDouble digit finals won vs ATGs (10+ Slam finalists)
1) Djokovic 40 (16 vs Nadal, 13 vs Fed, 11 vs Murray)
2) Lendl 29 (8 vs McEnroe, 6 vs Becker, 6 vs Wilander, 4 vs Edberg, 2 vs Connors, 2 vs Borg, 1 vs Sampras)
3) Becker 27 (14 vs Edberg, 7 vs Lendl, 3 vs Wilander, 1 vs Sampras, 1 vs Connors, 1 vs McEnroe)
-/ McEnroe 27 (11 vs Lendl, 7 vs Connors, 5 vs Borg, 2 vs Wilander, 2 vs Edberg)
5) Nadal 26 (14 vs Federer, 11 vs Djokovic, 1 vs Murray)
6) Fed 23 (10 vs Nadal, 6 vs Djokovic, 5 vs Murray, 2 vs Agassi)
7) Connors 21 (7 vs McEnroe, 5 vs Borg, 5 vs Rosewall, 4 vs Lendl)
8) Laver 17 (10 vs Rosewall, 6 vs Newcombe, 1 vs Borg)
-/ Sampras 17 (9 vs Agassi, 6 vs Becker, 2 vs Lendl)
10) Borg 16 (8 vs Connors, 4 vs McEnroe, 4 vs Lendl)
11) Edberg 15 (5 vs Becker, 3 vs Lendl, 3 vs Wilander, 1 vs Agassi, 1 vs McEnroe, 1 vs Connors, 1 vs Sampras)
12) Murray 14 (8 vs Djokovic, 3 vs Federer, 3 vs Nadal)
13) Nastase 10 (6 vs Connors, 3 vs Borg, 1 vs Laver)
- / Wilander 10 (3 vs Lendl, 3 vs Connors, 2 vs Edberg, 2 vs McEnroe)
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Sets dropped B4 playing each other:
FEDERER VS DJOKOVIC
'07 AO - Fed 0, Djokovic 1
'07 UO - Fed 2, Djokovic 3
'08 AO - Fed 2, Djokovic 0
'08 UO - Fed 2, Djokovic 4
'09 UO - Fed 2, Djokovic 2
'10 UO - Fed 0, Djokovic 2
'11 AO - Fed 3, Djokovic 1
'11 RG - Fed 0, Djokovic 1
'11 UO - Fed 1, Djokovic 1
'12 RG - Fed 4, Djokovic 5
'12 WI - Fed 3, Djokovic 1
'14 WI - Fed 1, Djokovic 4
'15 WI - Fed 1, Djokovic 2
'15 UO - Fed 0, Djokovic 2
'16 AO - Fed 1, Djokovic 2
'19 WI - Fed 3, Djokovic 2
'20 AO - Fed 5, Djokovic 1
Total sets dropped: Federer 30, Djokovic 34
NADAL VS DJOKOVIC
'06 RG - Nadal 2, Djokovic 2
'07 RG - Nadal 0, Djokovic 3
'07 WI - Nadal 4, Djokovic 5
'08 RG - Nadal 0, Djokovic 1
'10 UO - Nadal 0, Djokovic 4
'11 WI - Nadal 3, Djokovic 3
'11 UO - Nadal 1, Djokovic 3
'12 AO - Nadal 2, Djokovic 3
'12 RG - Nadal 0, Djokovic 4
'13 RG - Nadal 2, Djokovic 1
'13 UO - Nadal 1, Djokovic 3
'14 RG - Nadal 1, Djokovic 2
'15 RG - Nadal 1, Djokovic 0
'18 WI - Nadal 2, Djokovic 2
'19 AO - Nadal 0, Djokovic 2
Total sets dropped: Nadal 19, Djokovic 38
FEDERER VS NADAL
'05 RG - Fed 0, Nadal 1
'06 RG - Fed 2, Nadal 2
'06 WI - Fed 0, Nadal 2
'07 WI - Fed 1, Nadal 4
'07 RG - Fed 1, Nadal 0
'08 RG - Fed 3, Nadal 0
'08 WI - Fed 0, Nadal 1
'09 AO - Fed 2, Nadal 2
'11 RG - Fed 1, Nadal 2
'12 AO - Fed 0, Nadal 1
'14 AO - Fed 1, Nadal 1
'17 AO - Fed 5, Nadal 5
'19 RG - Fed 1, Nadal 1
'19 WI - Fed 2, Nadal 1
Total sets dropped: Fed 19, Nadal 23
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Sets won before the SF's in their career:
-Djoker 732/877 (83.47%)
- Nadal 696/835 (83.35%)
-- Fed 953/1153 (82.66%)
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Count up #'s of USO's (post '78) compared to AO's (post '87).
HC: (2+ HC slam winners)
- Djokovic: 3-7
- Nadal: 3-1
- Federer: 5-6
- Sampras: 5-2
- Agassi: 4-2***
***The 2-slam clay era's only 3 yrs, so there's not enough data to come to a conclusion.
ReplyDeleteGrass: (2 slam era - '75-87, Austr. & Wimbl.) - Given the lack of participation @ Austr., this era comparison is pretty difficult too. There's only really 2 players that c/b measured:
- Wilander: 2-0
- Vilas: 2-0
...it's that AO was easier to win when Borg, McEnroe, & Connors were playing Wimbl. instead. We won't use these stats.
Grass: (2.5 slam era - '68-74: AO, Wimbl., USO)
- Laver: 1-1-1
- Rosewall: 2-0-1
- Smith: 0-1-1
- Newcombe: 2-2-1
The lack of partic. @ AO hurts this comparison, coupled w/ the lack of dom. forces outside of the AO. Not ct'n the AO, only Newcombe & Kodes won 3 or > slams in this X per. Not a large enough sample size to come to a conclusion.
Using the HC stats, you can infer that any player that dom. on a surface is likely not going to perform as well on the 2nd slam. The small diff. btw slams would result in a diff. winning rate on each, & someone who dom. on a modern surface ala Fedal would likely not perform as well on the other slam of the same kind.
...I calc. what % of the > successful slam the < successful slam had. (A 4-2 rec. is 50%, as the player had 50% of their > successful slam. Similarly, a 4-1 rec. is 25%.
- Djokovic: 3-7 (43%)
- Nadal: 3-1 (33%)
- Federer: 5-6 (83%)
- Sampras: 5-2 (40%)
- Agassi: 4-2 (50%)
- Courier: 0-2 (0%)
- Becker: 1-2 (50%)
- Lendl: 3-2 (
- Wilander: 1-1
I threw out Courier & Wilander, obvious outliers, then avg'd these to get 52.3%, or roughly 50%.
Using this #, we can anticipate the # of slams for highly-successful players on a surface to increase by roughly that much.
+ another clay slam? Nadal wins 11*0.5 =5.5 (Rd. it to 6) > slams.
+ another grass slam? Fed wins 8*0.5 = 4 > slams there. Sampras wins 7*0.5 = 3.5 (Rd. to 4) > slams there.
Using these #'s, I +ed an xtra clay slam & an xtra grass slam (I used 0.5 measures this X):
- Fed: 0.5 > clay, 4 > grass. 24.5 slams
- Nadal: 5.5 > clay, 1 > grass. 23.5 slams
- Djokr: 0.5 > clay, 2 > grass. 17.5 slams
- Sampras: 0 clay, 3.5 grass. 17.5 slams
- Borg: 3 clay, 2.5 grass. 16.5 slams
- Lendl: 1.5 clay, 0 grass. 9.5 slams
- Connors: 0 clay, 1 grass. 9 slams
- Agassi: 0.5 clay, 0.5 grass. 9 slams
- McEnroe: 1.5 > grass. 8.5 slams
- Wilander: 1.5 clay. 8.5 slams
- Becker: 1.5 grass. 7.5 slams
- Edberg: 1 grass. 7 slams
These are my projections for what it w/b like w/ 2 clay, 2 grass, & 2 HC slams.***
***'11-20 Djokovic has the greatest decade of all X's
ReplyDeleteSlams won:
'11-20 Djokovic 16/37 (43.2%)
'03-12 Federer 17/40 (42.5%)
'05-14 Nadal 14/40 (35.0%)
'93-02 Sampras 13/40 (32.5%)
'72-81 Borg 11/41 (26.8%)
Big Tourns. won:
'11-20 Djokovic 49/129 (38.0%)
'05-14 Nadal 42/142 (29.6%)
'03-12 Federer 41/143 (28.7%)
'72-81 Borg 29/149 (19.5%)
'93-02 Sampras 28/149 (18.8%)
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Best score (10+ matches) vs ATGs (10+ Slam finalists)
'70 Laver 13-0 (100.0%)
'84 McEnroe 17-1 (94.4%)
'87 Lendl 13-1 (92.9%)
'69 Laver 10-1 (90.9%)
'79 Borg /'89 Becker / '11 Djokovic 12-2 (85.7%)
'86 Becker 11-2 (84.6%)
'88 Becker 8-2 (80.0%)
'15 Djokovic 15-4 (78.9%)
'71 Laver /'95 Agassi / '08 Nadal 11-3 (78.6%)
'85 Lendl 16-5 (76.2%)
'95 Sampras 8-3 (72.7%)
'80 Borg /'82 Lendl / '92 Sampras / '13 Nadal 7-3 (70.0%)
'86 Lendl /'94 Sampras 9-4 (69.2%)
'14 Djokovic 8-4 (66.7%)
'07 Nadal 9-5 (64.3%)
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Pure Slam cts:
- Federer '03-12: 17
- Djokovic '11-20: 16
- Nadal '05-14: 14
- Sampras '93-02: 13
- Borg '72-81: 11
Wks @ #1 (Wks @ #1 the sum of events played & won):
- Federer '03-12: 302
- Sampras '93-02: 286
- Djokovic '11-20: 282
- Nadal '05-14: 141
- Borg '72-81: 109
YE #1:
- Sampras: 6
- Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic: All tied at 5
- Borg: 2
ATP Finals (or YEC):
- Federer: 6
- Djokovic and Sampras: Tied at 5
- Borg: 2
- Nadal: 0
Masters 1000 (Excluded Borg - difficult to compare tourns. from his era):
- Djokovic: 28
- Nadal: 27
- Federer: 20
- Sampras: 10
Slam Finals (Slam about level w/ a Masters win, but U can argue otherwise):
- Federer: 24
- Djokovic: 23
- Nadal: 20
- Sampras & Borg: Tied @ 16
Winning %:
- Federer and Djokovic: 87%
- Nadal: 85%
- Borg: 84%
- Sampras: 80%
It's close btw Fedovic. Fed leads a bit in > of the big statistics, but Djokovic has a massive lead in Masters 1000. ...Sampras won > Slams > Masters in that X per. (& over whole career).
This list also made me realize that 10 yrs don't really do Sampras & Borg much justice. Fed too, I guess, but not as much. Those 2 players had > concentrated prime periods (players tended to decline much > quickly bk. then). In order to reach 10 yrs, I notice that you would have to include Sampras' poor '01-02 yrs & Borg's '72-73 yrs (he had only become a dom. force by '74; it's akin to one trying to + Djokovic's '09-10 yrs to this X frame). It doesn't affect overall titles that much, but it drastically affects win %.
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I think Nadal may end up @ 22, but I don't see him winning any > that, & for what it's worth I think Nadal'll find a way t/b the slam leader when all's said & done so I don't expect Djoker to pass Nadal tbh. I'd see the final tally @:
- Nadal 22
- Djokovic 21
- Federer 20
I think Nadal's far too good @ RG to not end up as slam leader. Novak m/b >er @ the other 3, though USO isn't @ all clear, but he's nowhere near the lock Nadal is @ RG either.
Of course, a lot of it depends on how long slams are held off in the current situation & how fast younger guys can make their marks @ slam level, but we've been saying that forever it seems. Not one of them is going to stop Djokovic or Nadal from winning their pet slams in the foreseeable future IMO.***
***Rafa has shown a fair share of saltiness, not cool @ all.***
ReplyDeleteWe saw the real Rafa @ the ATP Cup when fans weren't cheering his every move! Obviously that particular event, Nole had the adv. & got Rafa to actually complain to the umpire! What was he supposed to do? How many X's has Djokovic had to endure Fedal fans applauding his dbl. faults & UFE? They're all asses!
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Rafa's a typical spoiled POS that feels entitled to "everything!" It's been bred into him! The way he does run the show, dragging play to a crawl until he's ready to play shows it! It's as rude AF & I wouldn't let him get away w/ it!
***I think Novak will win > Rafa going forward, but Nadal will have just enough to edge him out. 2 > RGs & 1 > somewhere else. Think Novak will win another 2 AOs, a US, & a Wimb.
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What happened in the following yrs w/ Nadovic's not a clear indicator b/c '12 & '13 Nadal was >er > his '11 version. In fact, it's not = close if we compare '11 w/ '12.***
I'm thankful Djokovic came along! Never been a fan of Nadal or his game, but if '11 hadn't occurred, Rafa may have put #'s out of sight! People don't realize or remember that after his '10, Nadal was making final after final in '11, but dropped the matches to Nole! If things hadn't gone that way, w/ the +tion of '12-13, Heaven knows what the rec.-bks would have looked like! That's been the one saving grace of Nadal's tenure outside of that per., he hasn't been able to stay on the court or #1 for = a yr. due to his body & mind breaking down working so hard to win = early Rd. matches in the smallest tourns. of the tour!
***Highest prize $$ season, adj. by infl. (best season):
-1) '15 Djokovic $19,760,143.41
-2) '16 Murray $14,237,530.38
-3) '17 Nadal $13,274,805.11
-4) '17 Federer $12,294,451.89
-5) '97 Sampras $9,043,308.08
-6) '18 Zverev $7,889,448.54
-7) '19 Medvedev $7,137,688.36
-8) '19 Thiem $7,111,907.76
-9) '19 Tsitsipas $6,731,424.46
10) '16 Wawrinka $6,515,359.53
11) '99 Agassi $6,147,261.77
12) '18 Del Potro $6,006,452.99
13) '17 Dimitrov $5,833,771.25
14) '01 Hewitt $5,381,153.17
15) '00 Kuerten $5,081,918.83
16) '14 Cilic $5,054,826.92
17) '18 Anderson $5,020,785.76
18) '16 Raonic $4,948,894.07
19) '14 Nishikori $4,799,241.52
20) '00 Safin $4,613,346.34
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Best score vs top 5/10/20 in a season:
I set the sample size very high so it would be similar for all players.
> 80% win % vs top 5 (15+ matches)
- 1) '84 McEnroe 15-1 (93.7%)
- 2) '79 Borg 17-2 (89.5%)
- 3) '70 Laver 13-2 (86.7%)
- 4) '69 Laver 15-3 (83.3%)
- 5) '71 Laver / '85 Lendl / '11 Djokovic 13-3 (81.2%)
- 8) '15 Djokovic 16-4 (80.0%)
>80% win % vs top 10 (25+ matches)
- 1) '84 McEnroe 26-2 (92.9%)
- 2) '69 Laver 25-4 (86.2%)
- 3) '15 Djokovic 31-5 (86.1%)
- 4) '85 Lendl 22-4 (84.6%)
- 5) '70 Laver 27-5 (84.4%)
- 6) '11 Djokovic / '16 Djokovic 21-4 (84.0%)
- 8) '13 Nadal 24-5 (82.6%)
- 9) '13 Djokovic 24-6 (80.0%)
>80% win % vs top 20 (35+ matches)
- 1) '84 McEnroe 38-2 (95.0%)
- 2) '15 Djokovic 41-5 (89.1%)
- 3) '85 Lendl 35-5 (87.5%)
- 4) '13 Nadal / '16 Djokovic 33-5 (86.8%)
- 6) '69 Laver 39-6 (86.7%)
- 7) '11 Djokovic 31-5 (86.1%)
- 8) '13 Djokovic 34-7 (82.9%)
- 9) '70 Laver 47-11 (81.0%)
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Seasons that made all 3 lists:
- '69 Laver
- '70 Laver
- '84 McEnroe
- '85 Lendl
- '11 Djokovic
- '15 Djokovic
Combining the 3 lists:
- 1) '84 McEnroe 69-5 (93.2%)
- 2) '15 Djokovic 88-14 (86.3%)
- 3) '69 Laver 79-13 (85.9%)
- 4) '85 Lendl 70-12 (85.4%)
- 5) '11 Djokovic 65-12 (84.4%)
- 6) '70 Laver 87-18 (82.9%)
- '84 McEnroe (for his win %) & '15 Djokovic (# of wins) m/b the 2 highest levels of tennis in a season in the Open Era, related to their peers.***
***It's kind of universally accepted that Becker/Edberg 6 slam territory is an ATG, but that def. was prob. est. in Sampras's X when 14 was the rec. Now 3 guys have smashed that mark so 6 isn't as relatively close to the all X slam rec. as it was 15-20 yrs ago.
ReplyDelete...I hope we get a new tennis phenom or X who threaten or brk the recs of the "Big 3" b/c it's literally the only thing that'll stop the GOAT madness around here. After that it'll be all down to nostalgia bias & talking about the present era in say 50 yrs X being weak.
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Murray playing vs "Big 3" is no excuse. An ATG player s/b able to beat them a lot of X's in Slams. ...Murray's a good player, but he's not ATG.***
It was unfortunate for Murray that Fedalovic have dom. this era, but those are the brks! I can look back over the decades & say "what if" for a lot of top players! Murray IMO did very well for himself winning 3 majors, but that just won't cut it! ...My bttm of the barrel ATG is Edberg who got the most out of his game winning an OGM, the Jr. GS, 6 majors, & held the #1 ranking for 2 yrs! He had major detractors in his era also including Lendl, Becker, Wilander, Sampras, Agassi, & Courier! Murray's set himself apart from most "also rans" due to his success in Masters 1000 events winning 14 which is a lot when you consider he had to deal w/ the "Big 3!"
***Fed lost way > heavily @ RG that yr. & = after that, the Wimbl. win was hard fought for Nadal. Nadal had already come close in '07 so this was > about Nadal's grass court form being great in that period.***
After Roger lost his edge on grass in '08, the rivalry was forever slanted in Rafa's favor! Roger was absolutely lucky to catch Rafa on fast HC like Cincy or Miami, then of course @ the YEC Nadal's usually a non-factor! On clay Roger was also fortunate to take 2 anomalous matches where Rafa was not himself, actually dropping a set @ love! Roger finally started winning over his rival the last 2 yrs, but Rafa's lead is too great for him ever to get close!
***How can it be forever slanted when he hasn't lost off clay to Rafa since '15? That's a long, long X.***
X's running out; that's how! Gramps isn't going to last much longer & = Rafa'll prob. start to have > injury issues! They both have to make SF's or Finals to play! Fed caught fire 2 yrs ago taking 5 str. victories, but before that they hadn't met much or since! It's been the same this past yr. w/ only 2 matches they split! Rafa still has an 8 match lead that can't be cut into this late in life IMO! Delude yourself if you like!
***5 str. victories' nothing to sneeze @ no matter how you spin it. And no, I don't believe that Fed will ever be able to close the gap overall, but the pt. is that once Nadal could no longer run like an energizer bunny, the match up changed again to reflect their respective strengths.
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Novak's days of being great on clay are over (3 of the 4 losses in '19 were on the red stuff).***
Being busy being ATP Pres. really hurt his '19, but Nole still had a >er yr. > most #1's!
***Absolutely, any 2 Slam yr. has t/b considered a success. From a historical comp. standpt., you could argue it was middling since Rafa also won 2, but he managed to get closer than ever to the leader (Roger), so = in that sense I'd say it was mixed, but overall +. - How about '20?***
It's unfortunate Nole isn't able to claim wks @ #1 during this brk in the season saving Fed's rec. for the X being!
***Many Djokovic fans claim Fed gobbled up wks @ #1 during a "weak era" from '03-08. But they have no issue taking wks @ #1 in a NON PLAYING era? ...If Nadal or Fed were ranked #1 when the virus halted play, many w/b singing a diff. tune.***
***Fed's 1-9 vs the #1 @ Slams:
ReplyDeleteSampras 2-1 (66.7%)
- Becker 5-3 (62.5%)
- Nadal 8-6 (57.1%)
- Wilander 4-3 (57.1%)
- Borg 3-3 (50.0%)
- Rosewall 2-2 (50.0%)
- Newcombe 1-1 (50.0%)
- Lendl 4-5 (44.4%)
- Djokovic 3-5 (37.5%)
- McEnroe 4-7 (36.4%)
- Edberg 2-6 (25.0%)
- Agassi 2-9 (18.2%)
- Murray 2-12 (14.3%)
- Connors 1-6 (14.3%)
- - - Fed 1-9 (10.0%)
The supposed GOAT's last among ATGs... What does it tell us? = At what age did Fed play the World #1? Was it all over the age of 30?***
Does it matter? If Fed's going to play into age eligibility for AARP, he has to take his beatings w/ style & grace! He won some over Nadal in the last 2 yrs so why = invoke his age?
***Matches Roger played vs the best rank possible @ Slams. (5-13)
As World #1 vs World #2: (4-4)
'04 Wimbl. Final: (1) Fed def (2) Roddick
'05 Wimbl. SF: (1) Fed def (2) Hewitt
'06 FO Final: (2) Nadal def (1) Fed
'06 Wimbl. Final: (1) Fed def (2) Nadal
'07 FO Final: (2) Nadal def (1) Fed
'07 Wimbl. Final: (1) Fed def (2) Nadal
'08 FO Final: (2) Nadal def (1) Fed
'09 Wimbl. Final: (2) Nadal def (1) Fed
-vs World #1: (1-9)
'09 Austr. Open Final : (1) Nadal def (2) Fed
'11 FO Final : (1) Nadal def (3) Fed
'11 USO SF : (1) Djokovic def (3) Fed
'12 FO SF : (1) Djokovic def (3) Fed
'12 Wimbl. SF : (3) Fed def (1) Djokovic
'14 Austr. Open SF : (1) Nadal def (6) Fed
'15 Wimbl. Final : (1) Djokovic def (2) Fed
'15 USO Final : (1) Djokovic def (2) Fed
'16 Austr. Open SF : (1) Djokovic def (3) Fed
'19 Wimbl. Final : (1) Djokovic def (3) Fed
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vs #1 @ Slams (& #2 when the player himself #1):
- Becker 5-3 (62.5%)
- Sampras 3-2 (60%)
- Nadal 10-7 (58.8%)
- Wilander 4-3 (57.1%)
- Djokovic 10-8 (55.5%)
- Rosewall 2-2 (50.0%)
- Newcombe 1-1 (50.0%)
- Borg 3-5 (37.5%)
- Lendl 4-8 (33.3%)
- McEnroe 5-10 (33.3%)
- Federer 5-13 (27.7%)
- Agassi 3-10 (23.0%)
- Edberg 2-7 (22.2%)
- Murray 2-12 (14.3%)
- Connors 1-6 (14.3%)
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Players that reached their best ranking (Top 5) - '03-07:
#1 Hewitt
#1 Agassi
#1 Ferrero
#1 Roddick
#1 Federer
#3 Coria
#3 Nalbandian
#3 Davydenko
#3 Ljubicic
#4 Henman
#4 Blake
#5 Schuettler
#5 Gaudio
#5 Robredo
#5 Gonzalez
15 players in 5 yrs --> 3 players/yr. - '08-15:
#1 Federer
#1 Nadal
#1 Djokovic
#3 Ferrer
#3 Wawrinka
#4 Soderling
#4 Nishikori
#4 Berdych
#5 Tsonga
9 players in 8 yrs --> 1.1 players/yr.
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In '16-19:
#1 Big 4
#3 Stan
#3 Delpo
#3 Cilic
#3 Zverev
#3 Dimitrov
#3 Raonic
#4 Nishikori
#4 Medvedev
#5 Anderson
#5 Tsitsipas
14 players in 4 yrs --> 3.5/yr.
The younger of them Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas will prob. reach a higher b.r. later, but = excl. them, it w/b 11 in 4 yrs (2.75/yr.) so a similar level of inconsistency to pre-'08. - - Nadal the eternal #2.***
W/ Rafa's limited resume, he could have 30 majors & I'd still place him behind Fedovic who have a > balanced career, own YEC's, & lead @ wk. as #1 big X!
***When Rosewall got shellacked by Connors in a Wimbl. final @ age 40, it didn't seem very important to his legacy as far as I was concerned.***
As today, to me it was the same problem w/ the contemporaries of that era allowing old man Rosewall to make those 2 major finals in '74 only t/b shellacked!
***Big 3 win %:
ReplyDelete'03-10 Federer 87.93, Nadal 82.49, Djokovic 75.52 --> avg. 81.98
'11-20 Djokovic 87.87, Nadal 84.04, Federer 83.56 --> avg. 85.16
In Big Tournaments:
'03-10 Federer 86.04, Nadal 83.55, Djokovic 74.36 --> avg. 81.32
'11-20 Djokovic 87.36, Nadal 83.79, Federer 81.00 --> avg. 84.05
In Grand Slams:
'03-10 Federer 91.92, Nadal 87.59, Djokovic 78.70 --> avg. 86.07
'11-20 Djokovic 90.99, Nadal 87.57, Federer 84.15 --> avg. 87.57
On Hard Court:
'03-10 Federer 87.80, Djokovic 77.01, Nadal 76.17 --> avg. 80.33
'11-20 Djokovic 88.86, Federer 84.58, Nadal 80.00 --> avg. 84.48
On Clay:
'03-10 Nadal 93.09, Federer 84.11, Djokovic 73.45 --> avg. 83.55
'11-20 Nadal 91.02, Djokovic 84.08, Federer 75.00 --> avg. 83.37
On Grass:
'03-10 Federer 96.39, Nadal 83.33, Djokovic 73.81 --> avg. 84.51
'11-20 Djokovic 90.14, Federer 87.50, Nadal 72.09 --> avg. 83.24***
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I never saw Tilden, but w/ the way he owned tennis back in the 20's, I have no choice but to put him in the top 10 of all X! Same w/ Budge, Kramer, Gonzales, Hoad, Laver, & Rosewall! Most will remain footnotes except m/b Laver due to 2 CYGS's; 1 Am., 1 Pro! The reverence for Borg is like that = though well behind in the major ct., but he accomplished a lot in those 8 short yrs that remain Open recs.! Fedalovic leads the way in no particular order, then Laver, Sampras, Borg, Rosewall, Gonzales, Budge, & Tilden OTTH! Honorable mentions: Lendl, Connors, McEnroe, Hoad, & Agassi for limited successes or underachievement!
***My ranking GOAT Post War II - MALE:
- I don't insert Budge & Riggs only b/c the ranking concerns the Post WW II per. & the career of the 2 Americans is halved.
1) Federer
2) Laver
3) Gonzalez
4) Nadal
5) Rosewall
6) Djokovic
7) Borg
8) Sampras
9) Connors
10) McEnroe
11) Lendl
12) Kramer
My ranking BPOAT (Best-Dominant Player) Post War II - MALE:
1) Laver
2) Gonzalez
3) Kramer
4) Djokovic
5) Federer
6) Borg
7) Hoad
8) Sampras
9) McEnroe
10) Connors
11) Nadal
12) Lendl
13) Rosewall
I undoubtedly prefer the GOAT Ranking. It fascinates me < a ranking made only on the perception of the peak (as it used so many yrs ago).
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Off clay Slams won in these yrs:
- Djokovic 14
- Federer 4
- Nadal 3
- Novak fast court GOAT
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I realize disputing anyone's GOAT or BOAT list is a waste of X since it's purely opinion-based, but I'm curious why you'd put Sampras so low? He was clearly the dom. player of his era by far & was YE #1 6 str. yrs. He was insanely dom. in his peak.***
It really hurt his overall resume to never = play a FO final! I bought into the Kool-Aid back in 2000 to anoint Sampras the GOAT just to see history made, but it was obvious that "hole" is now making a diff.; esp. w/ Nole who has been the last of the Big 3 to surpass his major ct! It was always ridiculous to place him above Laver alone who had 2 CYGS; 1 AM., 1 Pro! Pete had a window around '95/96 @ the ht. of his powers w/ true clay court masters fading! Sampras defeated 2 of them in route to his lone SF in '96 defeating Courier & Bruguera, but it wasn't enough to overcome the eventual champ., Kafelnikov!
***Pete was YE #1 6 yrs str., something Fedovic couldn't (&'ll never) do. Who cares if he lost matches in meaning< tourns. like Stratton Mountain or Philly? That's quite a bizarre measuring stick for dominance. He was utterly dominant on HC's, indoors, & grass = though he lost to Safin/Hewitt in USO finals or a few matches @ Wimbl. There's no possible way to argue Pete Sampras wasn't the dom. player of his era or to quibble w/ 6 str. YE #1's. That last part eloquently proves his brilliance.***
It was no big deal back in Sampras' era! Those small events have made all the diff. of late; someX's determining the YE #1 as in '16; Murray barely over Nole!
***So why did Trump say Covid-19 cases would go to zero?***
ReplyDeleteJust Drump being Drump! Ya can't tell him shit when he's quite ready to sabotage our response to this Pandemic & has done so! Obama had plans to mass produce those respirators, but of course Frump couldn't have that! He won't allow anything w/ Obama's fingerprints to go off or continue; = if it's to save lives! The plans were scraped in '18 while the a-hole goes out there daily to lie saying "the cupboard was bare!" We'll see how it all shakes out in history!
***FNC said that we may return to shaking hands some day. ...The real hope is that we go from 40% of people washing their hands in the bathroom to 80 or 90%. People are gross.***
Which is why this hasn't changed my life much! I prefer people to keep their distance & shaking hands always grossed me out since most people are pigs & don't wash enough!
***I'm confident that Geo. Conway's an expert on social distancing, having had so much experience in using it on his own wife, Kellyanne!***
You see & hear about marriages like this; the most famous being Matalin & Carville! IDK how they do it! I don't = want to know someone capable of voting for someone as vile as Trump < work for them!
***Matalin & Carville say that they leave their politics @ the doorstep; the Conways clearly do not. I think it also helps that Matalin (like Geo. Conway) still stands w/i what used t/b the Rep. mainstream; ones that used to work w/ Dems.
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The buck stops w/ Trump & hindsight is 20/20, but I still want to know why NOBODY was sounding the alarm until mid-March. It seems we all stood up & took notice only then...it still took another wk. or so for everybody to REALLY get it. Fauci has repeatedly said they misjudged just how contagious this was. I’m wondering if this is what led him to tell Trump et all WH had nothing to worry about?***
Just wait until Frump's deposed & put out of office; all kinds of fingers w/b pt.'n @ him! Most of them from people in his own cabinet who tried to convince him to take this Pandemic > seriously! It's > a lit'l sad & pathetic for these people to feel so help< b/c of this mental midget ordering them around to downplay/ignore the problem initially!
***...That’s Reps specious argument that Trump blew out of the water by saying the silent part out loud the other day. Trump was on TrumpTV talking about the vote-by-mail provision that didn’t make into the CARES bill. Said Trump: "The things they had in there were crazy. They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Rep. elected in this country again."
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Trump wants the govs to tell him their plans to "open" by his date outlined. But he takes no responsibility for their inability to get testing. It's their fault that there are not sufficient testing kits.***
I just can't believe how people blightingly ignore the obvious contradictory statements by this man! He takes no responsibility & conveniently forgets his slow response to this pandemic! Now he's found a new scapegoat in the W.H.O. &'ll continue to "pass the buck" as long as we allow it to continue!
***I wonder if Bill Gates still thinks a Warren presidency w/b just as dangerous as Trump considering his comments when Warren was running.***
Nothing c/b as dangerous as a Trump admin., but it would def. be diff.! It's the intransigence of Liberals that bother me; "all or nothing!" I c/b as progr. as anyone, but you can't change Neanderthals overnight! Things have to move slowly w/ a > cons. hand like a Clinton or Obama who didn't offend "the right" as much as they were being vilified by their detractors! The economy flourished & the world respected us which is why I tear my hair out when we change course w/ idiots like Bush and Trump? Do these people want to sabotage their country? Seems like it to me when they do this again & again!
***Have you noticed Trump's super vile only to female reporters?***
ReplyDeleteThe sad thing is it was women who put Trump in office! They have the majority, but still selected him over Hillary!
***At most, white women did, not women gen. Clinton got most women's votes, as well as most non-white women's. And it's ??able whether the majority of white women did, inasmuch as the exit polls may not have been reliable.***
You don't understand! The fact Trump got = 10% of women's votes after all had been revealed what a sleazebag he was made it all the > disgusting!
***...Honestly, are we down to reliving the last election again?***
I still don't believe it! This country forever w/b tainted! It changed the course of history; the SC & comity in Congress a real casualty!
***What steps are they taking to prevent Russian interference from happening in '20.***
It doesn't seem like a lot's being done to prevent this from happening again w/ Reps in charge of the Senate! The results were in their favor so Reps don't GAF about democracy or fair elections w/ them going out of their way to disrupt, undermine, & perpetrate frauds on the American people just to stay in power!
***They passed $100's of M's in election integrity funds, but not = Dems have passed a bill banning Russians from Twitter or FB. Just pass a bill saying no US based social media company can allow IP addresses from Russia or spoofed IP addresses on their platforms.
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In Jan. there was 15 known cases of Covid-19 in the US. Now it's almost 700,000 cases. If your President just did his JOB, people may not have lost their jobs or loved ones. That's a FACT...not a debatable opin. Ur President, the person you voted for says he doesn't want t/b a supply clerk Prez. He's WD'ing PPE funding for med. essential workers & for med. swaps for testing. Why?***
Knuckleheads in this country don't have a problem w/ conflicting info coming out of their gov't repres.! They're used to & expect it; esp. out of Trump! In their minds it's a conspiracy of the MSM & liberals headed by the Clintons, Obama, & Pelosi to change the results of '16! The mental disturbance is no surprise to me & they really need to find some new "boogie men!" ...The "red states" are going to get hit hard not seeming to care if there's a new hotspot created! It's inevitable!
***The mayor of an OK. City amended an emerg. declar. requiring customers to wear face masks while inside businesses after store employees were threatened w/ violence.
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Why do people have t/b such assholes? The mask's there to protect you; to protect others. These are staff who are still reporting to work in this environ. I just don't get it.***
The campaign & election of Trump gave people "carte blanche" t/b a-holes! According to them it's their Const. right t/b free to say & do whatever TF they want to do; = if it impinges on the rights of others! I still remember when Obama was in office & visited a red state; m/b Texas! They have open carrying of firearms, many going into businesses "packing!" It's their right to carry, but they shake up everyone around them which's their real "aim!" Trump & his followers have "no shame" & prove they can get away w/ it everyday he = has approval rating of 40%! That reflects on the entire country; lit. "guilt by assoc.!" I've nothing but contempt for Reps now when initially it was only the Pols! Their tactics of "scorched Earth" politics has been rationalized as being nec. to save us! Now look @ where we're situated! I don't have to GAF as our society not so slowly disintegrates!
***Wash'ton m/b the most lib. state in the union, but people are allowed to carry guns openly in public. The danger from = an accidental shooting's frightening.***
***Black professor w/ N.Y. plates in Vt. told 'to leave' state; police investigating.***
ReplyDeleteWe like to think this only happens in the South, but our whole country is fk'd up w/ people like this all over who Trump has given voice! They feel they're entitled to express their racial animus towards people of color! It's sad & pathetic that I have to "go out" seeing the country going backwards instead of forward! We shk by how disgusting Reps treated Obama w/ impunity! Stealing a SC seat just sealed the deal how fk'd up the country was going!
***This situation's exacerbated by Vt.'s crud quarantine. People coming to the state are supposed to self quarantine for 2 wks. This is also true in other New England states.
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Yeah, but in Chgo. everyone's corrupt. Even the city pigeons be trying to jack up people for some rice or a piece of bread.
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Trump plan A, lie, Plan B, lie. If Plans C thru Z fail, refer to Plan A.***
Laugh, but he's been getting away w/ these tactics for yrs! The Dems can't seem to deal w/ the situation no matter how unethical or illegal the act! The whole Trump family s/b locked up before all's said & done, but = the SC have been acting funny hearing cases of Trump they normally never would've heard! How does he keep his taxes secret when the Congress has always had access in the past? This makes no fk'n sense other than most think Trump is doing the job & we should overlook his failings! I can't do that & will shout from my balcony "free @ last" if he's finally thrown out of office & prosecuted!
***It has far > to do w/ Rep. stupidity than failed Dem. tactics.***
As long as McConnell's Senate leader & the SC so complicit, there's not a lot that can be done! Corruption in DC is so rampant, people can't keep up w/ it! That's how Reps get away w/ so much; deflecting w/ accusing others while they're undermining every institution we hold dear! Not sure how recovery will occur w/ so much acceptance of present day politics! We're overwhelmed!
***Jay-...Who did Not Vote for the Iraq War? Are you aware of the Fraud that Bush perpetrated to get those Votes?***
You'd have t/b weak as water t/b conned into approving that damn war! Dems have been painted into a corner X & X again when it comes to Nat'l security so they bend like trees in the wind! Of course it was a fraud! Anything Reps do these days is perpetrating a fraud! I lost all hope dealing w/ them after their treatment of Obama & stealing a SC appt./seat! If McConnell can do that in good conscience, this country is fk'd! I wash my hands of the whole thing! Everyone's voting vs their own interest if they continue supporting Trump & I'd feel like a hypocrite voting for another senile old goat just b/c he happens to have a "D" behind his name! I'm unhappy regard people w/b concerned w/ this idiot wanting us to inject disinfectant or utilize light to get rid of C-19! Gawd, I'm not sure we'll overcome this nut! Do we deserve it putting the whole planet in jeopardy w/ the mind of this a-hole? I'll never forget or forgive his supporters! They're all just as nutz if they still sing his praises!
***As a former police officer, the arrest of George Floyd was an absolute tragedy. Based on what is shown on the videos, there was clearly excessive force used in making the arrest. Those officers s/b held to acct., not just fired. They s/b arrested & tried, which was more (unfortunately) than Floyd got.***
ReplyDeleteNever happen! Pols have given law enforcement carte blanche to do whatever is nec., = if excessive to keep the peace & dole out justice! Yrs ago when there was no way of proving excessive force, we could rationalize the ignorance of society, but they've seen it on video since Rodney King almost 30 yrs ago & the same drama is relived! There's a need< assault or death, no justice in sight, resulting in rioting, looting, & burning down of the town when cops are literally given a hand-slap for killing a man!
Some not only don't get prosecuted, they keep their jobs most of the X, the cop in NY who choked out Eric Garner selling loose ciggies supposedly was promoted later! Now I hear this arrest & murder was precipiated by a $20 check fraud issue! I guess this is why marchers chant, "Black Lives Matter" when in real life we see how much society values their lives! This not only continues to happen, it's exacerbated by Trump & Reps using it as a campaign issue of "the law< black thugs out there rampaging across America!" Such tools, but it's been working for them! Why change a winning game plan? God save America from these animals!
***Who do we fight if there are no charges? The prosecutor is whose shoulders it falls on!***
It's a "no win" situation/issue for local prosecutors! If they indict eventually, the local support for police rears it's ugly head, then the police union start playing the victim, & finally politicians get involved to undermine the whole process! It happened in Ferguson MO just 6 yrs ago!
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...And 3 they will stay! I w/b surprised they get Cauvin, much < the onlookers! ;-(
***@Jay Satyr - You obviously haven't watched the avail. videos. THREE of the 4 cops held Floyd down. ONE stood & ran interference. ADD 4 are complicit in the death.***
@J Nagarya - What's your point? You think it'll make a diff. to a jury when all the wt. will fall on Cauvin? More than likely they'll all get deals to testify against him, but my suggestion is "play the victim!" It's worked so well for police over the 60+ yrs I've been alive! We talk about video proof here; it didn't stop Rodney King's jury to acquit those cops in Semi Valley! Do I really need to go down the list of assaults & deaths of black people where a lot of these guys don't = lose their jobs, < get convicted of ANYTHING! Just being a realist w/ Trump in the OVAL Office fueling hatred & resentment! Sorry t/b so neg., but these are neg. X's! ;-(
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Now I see on the news there are protests across America going on right now! Here we go again; a lot of outrage, a lot of posturing, but in the end nothing gets done! IMO there are so many layers to avoid this happening again & again, but it's society that fails us all! The cop could've taken responsibility & everything since would never have happened! We all know that'll NEVER happen; esp. w/ the Police Unions who wouldn't want him to do that! His captain could fire him; didn't happen right away! The Police Comm. could've stepped in; dropped the ball waiting to see how things shook out! Then the Prosecutor was slow in pushing for an honest resolution to this drama! Video showing the world what happened to this poor man & it took days just to fire one cop! Wow; glaciers move faster!
***All 4 cops were fired the day after Floyd was killed by Cauvin; the onlookers just as culpable IMO!***
***Amy Klobuchar Responds To Claims She Didn't Prosecute Officer In Geo. Floyd's Arrest - "Klobuchar you did nothing, you took the side of Criminal Police Officer."***
ReplyDeleteIt's the system that makes them all complicit since they need each other; judges, prosecutors, & cops (city, state, Fed Marshalls)! I expected better of her, but unfortunately she got busted!
***I hope Amy Cooper goes to jail for a long, long X accusing that black man of attacking her just b/c he asked her to leash her dog in Cen. Pk.***
IDK why people are surprised or shocked by something like this! It happens every fk'n day somewhere; some incidents more memorable than others! Charles Stuart in Boston accused a black man of car jacking him & killing his pregnant wife! ...Right around the same X 30+ yrs ago, Susan Smith drowned her 2 kids & again blames a black man for taking her car w/ the babies in the back seat!
***@Fiero425, I finally think that black & brown people are waking up to the fact that things are not getting better. It doesn't make a diff. if you are educated, nice, accommodating, understanding, polite, respectful.***
If I weren't a senior, I'd prob. move myself! I saw it getting worse back then when cons. weaponized "gay marriage" & used religious Blk people & their own problems w/ gays to elect awful, bigoted people to Congress!
***...3 were NOT onlookers. Don't water it down to start w/- that is how they have only charged 1 w/ 3rd degree murder.***
That's how it works! ...If you're a cop who commits an offense, procedures & commitments to the union contract take over! There has t/b a full investigation = if it takes months! Video is only part of the story in their minds & can't be taken @ face value! ...Seen this so many X's going back to me being out on the streets of Chgo the night King was shot in '68! My mom & I were just leaving a movie theatre hearing shooting & glass being shattered! Our country hasn't learned ANYTHING & hasn't really solved this issue in my 50+ yrs of knowing how things work!
***@Jay Satyr From the outside looking in (I'm Austr.) I've thought that Trumps negligence on the pandemic would bring down the govt. It seems that the murder of Mr. Floyd w/b the catalyst for a much needed civil war (the avg. person vs the powerful elitists). The avg. people around the world are fed up w/ govts only enriching themselves @ the detriment to everyone else & the planet, but nowhere has that behaviour been > obvious > under Trump."***
Unfort. that's the war being waged now w/ a diff. of opinion who'll benefit from said war/revolution! Our country is no diff. > others who vote against their own interest! They're conned into thinking something to distract from how they're being screwed; RAW! A lot of women, blacks, Mexicans, & = Muslims supported Trump; some still do! It can't be explained or understood by me due to my unwillingness to deal w/ stupid people! We have 2 parties & the biggest determinant of their success of late has been the underlying advantage of the Rep. minority! "THEY NEVER underest. the gullibility of their constituents; = the so called smart ones!" They've been "raising the roof" w/ success positioning cons. judges to "supposedly" get "Roe v Wade" overturned! People aren't seeing how corrupting this has been to the core foundations of the justice dept.! Dems have had the op. problem; "they think 'THE PEOPLE' are too smart t/b fooled for long!" Idiots! This is why scum of the EARTH have been kicking our asses getting true sickos in office like Trump, Tea Partiers, & other cons. who do nothing but find fault w/ liberals! I stopped giving these morons $$ this past yr.! How enthusiastic are people going t/b for Biden = to rid the world of Trump?
Louisville PC fired after officer bodycams found t/b off during fatal shooting
ReplyDelete- https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-police-chief-fired-officer-204751712.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_07 -
Louisville, KY, "Metro PC Steve Conrad has been relieved of duty after it was revealed that the officers involved in a shooting that killed a local business owner early Mon. did not activate their body cameras. Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer announced the decision to relieve Conrad on Mon. aft. during a news confer., where the deceased was identified as David McAtee. Conrad had been set to retire later this month. ..."
Wow, and the "hits" just keep on coming! Unbelievable!
***This is BS. I haven't seen any cops defending Chauvin's actions. Do you think it's a good thing that the mob burned down the 3rd Precinct building?***
For a change the cops aren't defending their own to the hilt, but I'm not one to be surprised people lost their shit when this a-hole wasn't arrested right away! The PC & DA were slow to act which is typical of cop shootings, but this was on camera again w/ an irresponsible president that was destined to fuel the fire! It's not as much I condone violence or arson, but I absolutely yawn now if ANYONE if naïve enough t/b surprised @ the reaction to yet again another Black man murdered by a cop! If you don't like my outrage, TOUGH!
***Reps Distance Themselves From Trump As He Descends Into Madness
They aren't able to distance themselves. They are all complicit. - Same w/ the Dems. They're ALL guilty here.
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Dems tried to remove that Maniac in Jan. Reps let him get away w/ it. Who's complicit again?***
Dems can't do shit if McConnell & other Reps don't reign in that maniac! The Dems are totally w/o any real power outside of the "power of the purse!" Even there they've been weak not playing enough hardball vs the Reps who don't play by the rules anymore!
***@Jay Satyr - Even the Dems pushing for a senile Biden as president is disgusting. People are given the choice of how much evil you want to vote for- that's it...that Bernie couldn't brk thru this BS is indicative of what is happening world wide. Ordinary people being screwed by the wealthy & political elite; = in Aus. But @ least in Aust. we have healthcare for all, gun laws for all, a social security net for all, hoping this is the beginning of real & genuine change for the everyday person in America. When non-violent protests don't work, it leaves ONLY violence. And as / Malcolm X w/ whatever means necess.***
W/ your history, you're prob. > civilized believe it or not! Our Country was founded on BS, hypocrisy, & systematic genocide! Cons. don't ever want to get in a battle w/ me about history! Most delude themselves w/ made up history or they're just ignorant of the facts & really don't care! Unfortunately I grew up caring too much & I resent people propagating BS when I know >er! We ain't a bunch of saints & it's been proved w/ our selections to lead of late!
***It's not that Trump fails to realize how serious this is. It's that he doesn't care.***
It's not just Trump, it's the entire Rep. party! You hear them everyday saying things like "it's us vs 'them'!" The press is the enemy b/c they have the gall to correct the lies on "the right!" I stopped counting @ 16,000 exaggerations, falsehoods, & damnable LIES from Trump! I can't = look @ people who say they support him!
***COVID-19, however, is 'old news'....Dems can manipulate & divide > people w/ the 'racism/racist' narrative & justify rioting, looting, burning, & terrorism. - ...Floyd died all of a sudden from Covid 19. The fact that he was roughed up by the police was coincidental. The presence of Covid19, the Black Death of our current age, makes a reasonable doubt as to the cause of Floyd's demise.
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Died all of a sudden from Covid 19? He did? Just like that, it suddenly killed him? Of course you can back that up right?***
Of course not! People who think like this, getting disinfo from FNC & other cons. outlets, we have to expect this kind of thing! They say some take advantage of tragedy; well others exploit it in their own way making up shit as they go along! It's a real fk'n shame!
***Why is this crap in politics? The whole OP is a fucking lie.
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It's a sad day when someone has to apologize for saying he respects the American flag.***
Well, when you put your fk'n foot in your mouth, it's just not gonna taste too good! The real shame is that after Brees has done all this good work in New Orleans, he thought it not only nec., but entitled enough to spout off this belief aloud in these volatile X's! As a Rep., he probably felt he wasn't deflecting "from the cause" like his brethren again! Trump's m/b infected him into saying stupid stuff! Honor the flag all you want, but people's feelings on the subject are going t/b = > diverse than nationality!
***So you're saying that Brees is not entitled to his views or that he should just keep them to himself?***
It's called "Xing!" This is the wrong X for this idiot t/b expressing these sentiments w/ his hero Trump deflecting issues the same way by wrapping himself up in the flag! As a black person, I don't have the same kind of reverence for the flag as some privileged, southern hick like Brees! My father was in the USAF & step-father in the army during Korea! So what? What does that have to do w/ the price of tea in China? A man was choked out on camera for all to see, but all Brees can express is some inane comment about how he feels about desecration of the flag! Fk. him & all his good works!
***As a white over 65 woman who lives in an affluent area, if I had a counterfeit $20 bill it w/b assumed that someone had passed it on to me. I'm fairly certain that "if" police w/b called, instead of handcuffed, thrown to the ground, choked by knee hold, I w/b politely ??ed, perhaps arrested, & prob. charged w/ a misdemeanor, not choked to death.
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We've seen a man killed by the police as he was crawling face down in a hallway following orders. Others shot in the back running away. Killed w/ their hands in the air. Shot lying in their bed asleep. Shot sitting @ a picnic table, & in their backyard. Choked to death while face down in handcuffs. Shot reaching for requested ID.
M/b George Floyd could've done something differently, & the cops would've chosen not to kill him. M/b. But the truth is ALL of the power was in their hands. Chauvin & the other officers choose not to de-escalate over & over again, min. after min. as Floyd laid on the ground pleading, as onlookers begged them to get off his neck.
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And your peaceful protest resulted in the lives of @ least 5 cops & innocent store owners, so tough shit. I don't care about a career criminal who resisted arrest after trying to pass a phony $20 bill.***
Just proves = w/ history repeating itself; on video no <, ignorance will continue to prevail!
***It's people like you who make progressives look bad.
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...I’ll be waiting to rip it apart.***
***Lay off of Brees. He apologized for his comments about disrespecting the flag in the middle of the Geo. Floyd news of assault & murder.***
ReplyDeleteScrew him! Kapernick was literally forced out of football b/c of punishment for his opinion! Trump helped to step on his neck talking about how disrespectful all black players were for kneeling during the Anthem causing upheaval for while!
***...Looking @ the current state of NYC, San Fran., & other Democratic strongholds, it's really not hard to see why some people think Trump's the yrs to steal as much as he can from this country. The Independents & moderate Reps who might've voted for him 4 yrs ago, have zero excuse this X to think the Congress would hold him in check or all that crap he was spewing to get people to applaud @ a rally was just rhetoric. He wants the applause. He'll say & do whatever it takes to get it.
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...Neither a blank ballot nor a 3rd party candidate are going t/b president.***
What's still throwing me off is as far as I'm concerned women chose this guy! They saw how he belittled, insulted, condescended to women & they still voted for him! Typical IMO b/c I keep asking the same ??, "why do women hate other women so much?" For even 10% of them to go for Trump over Hillary has put them in a light that I don't think they'll ever recover! They have no idea how they've fk'd themselves for the next 30-40 yrs w/ cons. judges all up in their business that he's installed in the courts! Idiots!
***Reps have decided to embrace the radical right-wing as a fave demographic along w/ Evangelicals and non-hispanic whites. Here is the problem, the radical white is comprised of white supremacists, and other hate group members that are already part of the GOP base causing significant redundance, not +ing to their ranks, while further alienating all other ethnic groups. The Dems dominate w/ educated non-Hispanic whites, women, Hispanics, Afro-Americans, Asians, Jewish & other minor ethnicities. That is the formula that has produced 6 wins in pop. vote in the last 7 elections. A bigger problem is that the fastest growing ethnicities in USA are Hispanics (white and non-white), Afr-Americans & Asians. In fact, the whole country w/b a minority-majority country in 20 yrs. As it is right now, the Dem. base draws voters from over 60% of the pop., while GOP from < than 40%, already a significant mismatch that'll surely continue expanding. We'll continue to see states turning blue from red, like it's happening in AZ, TX, GA, NC, SC.
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Progressives aren't fiscally responsible. They churned out an add'l $8T under the previous buffoon. Go sail that boat on some other planet. Big fail.***
Total BS! That was "W's" credit card debt coming to roost! The fact is the deficits went down in rec. X under Obama = w/ the fiscal irresponsibility of Reps who threw all kinds of $$ @ wars that got us NOTHING! Thanks "George!" What a D!CK! Thanks to Trump, all w/b forgotten; = "911" since our very institution of Democracy has been under assault the last sev. yrs!
***How do you explain the "pre-COVID" USA from the "post-COVID /post-riot USA"?***
ReplyDeleteWe were on our way to being a "Banana Republic" in '17 (pre-Covid) & we went full on "BR" w/ a tyrannical dictator @ the helm in '20! We're there! That's the post-Covid era in a nutshell; reduced to wearing masks!
***Opinions w/o proof? I hope you can do better than that.
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Rep. states are on the hot seat b/c of the George Floyd incident; however, ironically, this incident happened in a state w/ a Dem. Gov, AG, 2 Dem. Senators, 5 Dem. Repres., in a city w/ Dem. Mayor, and a Police Dept. who's PC is black. And Reps are supposed t/b worried?!***
So what? Bad cops are everywhere; blue & red states! It was in NY, in Buffalo of all places where those fools knocked over the old man & ignored the blood gushing from his head! Location has lit'l to do w/ thuggish behavior; esp. when it wears a badge!
***Bad humans are everywhere, that's hardly an indictment for cops.***
I wasn't the one making it a big deal Floyd was killed in a blue state! I live in IL; the history of racial strife is legendary btw cops & black people in Chgo!
***...Yeah, I've heard cons. use "what about Chgo?." It's a stupid argument. They don't care about black lives, they only care if the police officer is white.
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Trump overreacted hugely to the rioting & looting. We're hardly verging on revolution.***
Few want to condone the explosive behavior, but we all have to understand it! ;-)
***They don't = have a valid concern. Media has pumped nonsense in their heads w/o providing plain stats.***
So Floyd wasn't killed the other day? There isn't a cop being tried for that murder? There aren't 2-3 > who assisted also on trial? There's no valid concern w/ you when a group of cops systematically suffocate a man to death while people watched in horror? I have no words! ;-(
***I believe the 1st decision was right, the cops used a standard restraining procedure & didn't know that Floyd had any heart issues or that he's full of Fentanyl & meth.***
OMG, justifying it I see! Wow! No wonder cops feel they can get away w/ murder w/ people like you out there!
***IMO we need = > cops, > "militarized" cops, > aggressive cops, considering what type of people we're living w/ in the same country.
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@Thunderstruck I think you need to go start your own nation. It c/b a police state full of only white people. You w/b happy there!***
Anyone want to help him get what he really wants & needs, his own fk'n country? ;-)
***@Thunderstruck lol. How many Rubles do you make per post? Are you going to wear your armband @ the next Trump trash rally? It goes great w/ the hat.***
@David Shah @Thunderstruck's being underpaid! Zuckerberg s/b giving him a cut of his traitorous profits from FB!
***He’s def. on his President Putin’s payroll too. It’s always funny when someone who worships the world’s most offensive internet troll calls real Americans morons on the internet. Lol. You’re so eager to humiliate yourself, KKKaren. Please continue.***
When Trump or any other nimrod "on the right" are spewing lies, it's usually a juvenile deflection tech. of saying, "not me, but you are....!" It's pathetic that it works for FNC viewers! They believe anything told to them including that Corvid was a hoax being used to undermine election of Trump!
***It’s so pathetic. They’re so triggered b/c they know they are. Every accusation this guy makes towards decent Americans, his lord president twitler is guilty of that same thing X's infinity.***
...And they know it which is making it harder & harder to defend the old fart! He's been an embarrassment to the office & human-kind! Trump's one of the saddest creatures breathing air & his whole family s/b just as embarrassed, but they aren't!
***Djokovic is the 1st player that after 71 yrs won Wimbl. final after opp. had Chp. pt! Last X it happened in '48... 71 yrs...
ReplyDeleteAnd, Fed's 38 yo while Novak is 33 yo... 38+33=71... Long live 40:15...
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Nadal had 8 loses in finals of clay tourns.... 4 loses came vs Novak...
- Nadal's 59-8 (88.06%)
- is 7-4 (63.64%) vs Novak
- is 52-4 (92.86%) vs rest of the field
So, for Nadal is big diff. if he plays Novak on one side or rest of the field on the other side...
- Nadal's 11-2 (84.62%) vs Federer
- is 48-6 (88.89%) vs rest of the field
So, for Nadal is not a big diff. if he plays Federer on one side or rest of the field on the other side.
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Djokr vs. Fed: A Decade @ Wimbl.
Fed 2000-09:
- 52-4 (92.8%) rec.
- 6 Wimbl. titles, 1 final, 0 SF's
- Opps def. in finals: Philippoussis, A-Rod (3), Nadal (2)
- 4.16 avg. # of sets needed to win finals
Djokr 2010-19:
- 57-4 (93.4%) rec., 1 injury retirement
- 5 Wimbl. titles, 1 final, 2 SF's
- Opps def. in finals: Nadal, Fed, Fed, Anderson, Fed
- 4.2 avg. # of sets needed to win finals
- Mean Opp. Elo:
'14 Wimbl. Djokr 2098.6
'15 Wimbl. Djokr 2095.3
'18 Wimbl. Djokr 2068.7
'05 Wimbl. Fed 2068.3
'06 Wimbl. Fed 2060.3
'09 Wimbl. Fed 2045.4
'11 Wimbl. Djokr 2040.6
'07 Wimbl. Fed 2034.2
'19 Wimbl. Djokr 2025.6
'03 Wimbl. Fed 1985.7
'04 Wimbl. Fed 1978.0
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Djokovic has been very impressive @ Wimbl., but one thing that you remind us is that Fed's seen >er b/c = during Djokovic's regime, he won 2 > Wimbl. & 3 > finals w/ a MP in one, 5-setr in the next, & a 4-setr in the last.
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Similar stats for '03-12 for those who want to know:
- Fed '03-12
- 7 titles, 1 final, 2 QF's
- Opps def. in finals: Philippoussis, A-Rod (3), Nadal (2), Murray
- Win %: 63-3 (95.4%)
- Sets dropped on avg. (diff. stat): 2.9
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Emerson won none of his slams in the Open era; 6 of them won @ the AO. It's the same reason Rosewall isn't esteemed as highly as he should b/c the majority of his slams were won pre-Open era.
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...I do think Emerson's underrated by some people these days too. He had surprisingly respectable H2H's w/ people like LAVER, Rosewall, Newcombe, & other greats when he did play them, particularly the early Open Era. - I'm surprised that he played on long enough to face Lendl.***
Emerson was still quite a good dubs & MxD partner in the 70's, but I believe you're thinking of Roche who went on to coach Lendl to #1! Emerson's serve sounded like a cannon going off; esp. when playing indoors! A lot of the old Aussies played >er than > in singles & extended their careers w/ doubles; Newcombe, Roche, Stolle, & Davidson among others playing themselves & in MxD's w/ women like Court, BJK, Casal, Wade, Stove, & Durr OTTH! Takes me way back!
***Laver & Rosewall have been totally forgotten in the GOAT race these days w/ Fedalovic fans debating amongst themselves who's the GOAT. They're both right up there w/ Fed IMO.***
The yr. Laver won his pro CYGS, each of the finalists became HOF members! Not sure we can say that about many of the players competing vs The Big 3! Fedalovic have owned this era like no other w/ lit'l difficulty! It was made easier for them by making Masters' finals BO3 instead of BO5 which would've cut Nadal's totals by @ least a 3rd IMO! His recovery X w/b much too short btw events that are so close together!
***I do think Murray will become a HOF'r though. But regard<, my GOAT list has Laver & Rosewall @ #1 & #3. Both are absolute legends & s/b right @ the top of any GOAT list.***
Fedalovic have kept a legion of players from collecting @ least one major & may never reach the HOF due to not winning their one chance @ a GS; Berdych, Ferrer, & Tsonga to name but a few! It's a shame the anomaly is occurring & for such a long per. of X; 15-20 yrs & counting!
***All X Greats - # of GS's Where Each Won 3 5-Set Matches @ 1 GS:
ReplyDelete- Borg - 2
- Agassi - 2
- Federer - 1
- Sampras - 1
- Edberg - 1
- Nadal - 0
- Djokovic -0
- Connors - 0
- McEnroe - 0
- Wilander - 0
- Becker - 0
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Seeing as how this subject has been the topic of so much discussion lately & obviously excites intense interest for most posters on here, is it X we kicked the outdated Int'l Tennis HOF into touch & simply apply the 6 Slams guillotine rule which most people on here seem to favor?
- In singles, that would currently include 27 men & 21 women; total of 48 players.
Men (in order of Slam ct. & listed alphabetically if > 1 player w/ same #):
- 1. Roger Federer (20)
- 2. Rafael Nadal (19)
- 3. Novak Djokovic (17)
- 4. Pete Sampras (14)
- 5. Roy Emerson (12)
- 6. Bjorn Borg (11)
- 7. Rod Laver (11)
- 8. Bill Tilden (10)
- 9. Andre Agassi (8)
10. Jimmy Connors (8)
11. Ivan Lendl (8)
12. Fred Perry (8)
13. Ken Rosewall (8)
14. Henri Cochet (7)
15. Rene Lacoste (7)
16. William Larned (7)
17. John McEnroe (7)
18. John Newcombe (7)
19. William Renshaw (7)
20. Richard Sears (7)
21. Mats Wilander (7)
22. Boris Becker (6)
23. Don Budge (6)
24. Jack Crawford (6)
25. Lawrence Doherty (6)
26. Stefan Edberg (6)
27. Anthony Wilding (6)
Women (Slam ct. order & listed alphabetically if > 1 player w/ same #):
- 1. Margaret Smith Court (24)
- 2. Serena Williams (23)
- 3. Steffi Graf (22)
- 4. Helen Wills Moody (19)
- 5. Chris Evert (18)
- 6. Martina Navratilova (18)
- 7. Billie Jean King (12)
- 8. Maureen Connolly (9)
- 9. Monica Seles (9)
10. Suzanne Lenglen (8)
11. Molla Bjurstedt Mallory (8)
12. Maria Bueno (7)
13. Evonne Goolagong Cawley (7)
14. Dorothea Lambert Chambers (7)
15. Justine Henin (7)
16. Venus Williams (7)
17. Nancye Wynne Bolton (6)
18. Louise Brough (6)
19. Margaret Osborne DuPont (6)
20. Doris Hart (6)
21. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (6)
- Not sure of what the dubs criteria w/b. Open to the wise counsel of TTW on that one. Thoughts?
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This looks good to me, but I'd recommend it as the HOF having a "Greats" wing & an "ATG" wing. ...That's 1 ATG every 4.33 yrs, which's cool & makes the desig. meaningful. And again, the beauty of this is that you have 2 players -- Becker & Edberg -- w/ 6 Majors each, followed by a gap w/ no pure Open Era players w/ 5 Majors, followed by only 2 pure Open Era players w/ 4 Majors (Vilas' dubious given his 2 weak AO titles). Moreover, that 52 yrs of history shows us that players w/ 6+ Majors have great overall careers. Edberg was twice YE #1, spent 72 wks @ #1, & won WTF. Becker won WTF 3 X's & made 5 other finals. But once you go below that level, things are hit & miss.
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Yes dubs' important tennis, esp. in John's era. I've no problem w/ John being considered an ATG, esp. considering his many dubs titles. Slams shouldn't be the only criteria.…
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Basically, 6+ Majors' a good benchmark. Now, could there be a Kodes or Wawrinka type player down the road who wins 6 Majors who shouldn't be considered an ATG? Sure. Conversely, could there be a 5 Major winner down the road who's twice YE #1, wins 2 WTFs, & racks up bunch of Masters Series titles who s/b considered an ATG? Sure. But, as things currently stand, there are no pure Open Era players w/ 5 Majors & the two 4 Major players each have issues (Vilas' AO's are incredibly weak & Courier's prime was pretty short).
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Murray would demolish most of the guys on the list after Borg & Laver; & no I’m not trolling.
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If you think Andy Murray would have a prayer vs Lendl, Agassi or Becker you're smoking some serious stash.***
We like to give > credit to current players w/ superior conditioning, athleticism, etc.! Murray's good, but not that good! If he's still allowing old man Roger to dom. him, I can't give him the benefit of the doubt over Lendl, Agassi, or = Becker!
***...Most of the greats in the Open era until the 90s skipped AO for a long per. of X. You have to + the WCT finals winner which was way > important than AO. That's why comparing slam winners from Borg & Mac's era is unfair. You should also look at Slam win %. I believe Borg is #1.
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I agree w/ a lot about what you said, but I do have to + talking about Borg having the best Slam win % when he retired @ 25 basically & never exper. age & the natural decline that goes w/ that, is a totally meaning< stat for comparison. Lets say him play well into his 30s like Fedal, Djokovic, Lendl, Agassi, McEnroe, Connors, & = Sampras & see what his win % is. Heck let him = play until = 30 & see.
And of course due to Borg's decision to retire so young, there's no way he has the most slams, = if all 4 slams were fully attended by everyone, & he would still have been passed by the Big 3 all in slam ct. by now regard<. Although I do agree slam ct. is not everything, the reason he's not tops there is not the era, it is his extremely early retirement which was self imposed. Of course = if he had a much longer career, he prob. doesn't have a mark as high as people like Fedal now, & that w/b partly the < focus on the slams then, & everyone not = playing all 4 slams thing, but that did not = play out as far as it did.
While I do think Borg is very underrated these days by some people, it s/b noted the best aspects of his career are his sheer dom. of the overall game @ this peak including some intangibles, his dominance of the polar opposites of clay & grass, & his slam ct. So in his case there is only so much you can say it is only about slam ct., as his slam wins are one of his biggest strengths anyway. If it is not his slam wins & dom. @ his peak for sev. yrs, what else is it? It certainly is not his X @ #1- a mere 109 wks which is < 1/2 of his chief rival Jimmy Connors; PS- I def. do rate Borg over Connors all X, & only 2 YE #1's. And yes I know the rankings were fk'd up & didn't truly reflect the best player much of that X, but they're still a fact. It certainly isn't longevity for him, LOL! Despite his amazing joint Wimbl./FO feats which still haven't been matched by any player in history, it isn't mastering all surfaces or venues w/ his failure to win a HC slam (only 4 attempts) or a USO = w/ it being on his beloved clay 3 yrs. It is certainly not tourn. wins w/ only 64, again much < Connors or Lendl who I still rank as his clear inferior, despite them both trouncing Borg in many stats. In fact almost all stats except for ironically slam wins & best yr. performances. The "it isn't all about slam ct." is a far > convincing argument for say Navratilova or Evert than it is for Borg sadly. That is what happens when you retire @ 25.
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Rankings were screwy back then. You make a lot of good pts. My pt. is that Slam ct. for players in that era is unfair as they only played 3. I agree w/ the slam % w/ Borg, but it is what it is. Most male players in the past were done competing for slams by 31 & 27 was their prime. As for Borg - the most under apprec. feat in tennis may be his RG titles on slow red clay while staying back all tournament & then going to Wimbl. on fast grass & S&V to 5 str. titles.***
The Rankings were a freakin' mess in the early days of Open tennis due to so many ruling bodies/authos include. the ITF, The WCT, USTA, & an indep. tour headlined by players like Connors & Nastase! I remember a guy was trying to calc. pts for Borg in the 70's, but he was missing 10 pts. from somewhere! It was a total guess on my part when I told him to look at "The Nations Cup;" > an exh./warm-up for the FO w/ the 8 top countries having a RR like Hopman Cup w/ 2 singles & a doubles match! Borg played & beat Vilas in 3 sets & he was given 10 pts = though all players didn't have a chance w/ the limited draw!
***Why was Federer's peak so short? Xspan btw 1st & the last yr. as #1:
ReplyDelete- Nadal 12 yrs ('08-19) in a career of 19 yrs ('02-20) --> was peak 63.2% of his career
- Djokovic 10 yrs ('11-20) in a career of 17 yrs ('04-20) --> was peak 58.8% of his career
- Federer 6 yrs ('04-09) in a career of 23 yrs ('98-20) --> was peak 26.1% of his career
Why was Fed's peak so short compared to Nadal's & Djokr's?
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Peak is the entire X btw a player's #1 stints? W/ all the layoffs & slumps that come btw those periods? I always understood a peak was a player's best cons., uninterrupted per. of play which could also include a slam SF or final loss. In extreme circumstances & to a high caliber player & taking into acct. styles of play & surface differences, I think a player can have one peak per., & then some sub-peaks. If close enough in X, they c/b incorp. into a prime per. Peaks are gen. quite short, I think.
Djokovic's peak was AO '11 - AO '12. Even then, in his peak per., he suffered losses to Tipsarevic & Ferrer @ the WTF. Arguably, his peak per. was 'only' AO '11 - USO '11. A peak can't really incorporate a very poor showing @ a big event. '15-16 was not his peak, & neither was '18-20. They were stretches of > play, but in > abstract than concrete senses, > to do w/ his mentality over a gen. weak field. In '11, he had to face Fedal > closer to their respective peaks > he did later on. He was also competing vs players such as Berdych, Tsonga & Murray, who, despite their flaws were > stronger comp. > Thiem, Tsitsipas, Zverev & co.
Nadal's peak was '08 - AO 09. I can't extend it to '10, though that USO was very impressive, due to the injuries & the RG '09 loss. A peak shouldn't incorp. that kind of drop in form, IMO, though I'd argue Nadal's prime encompassed both periods. I would put the Rome '08 - AO '09 per. as peak b/c he defeated another ATG in 3 slams, & an ATG just off their peak, too, & about to enter into another per. of high performance.
Fed's peak was Wimbl. '05 to AO '07, which is an impressive stretch, > so > his rival Big 3 eras.
What's > concerning is we haven't seen a > player actually peaking for about a decade. We should've seen, in a healthy sport, someone else peaking in '16-18. Next X we see a new > player peaking, it c/b '23/24.
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Most wins over top 5 in a dec:
1) '11-20 Djokovic 83
2) '81-90 Lendl 79
3) '03-12 Federer 70
4) '05-14 Nadal 64
5) '72-81 Borg / '78-87 McEnroe 58
7) '85-94 Becker 57
8) '68-77 Laver / '90-99 Sampras 55
10 '73-82 Connors / '07-16 Murray 48
- Most wins over top 10 in a dec:
1) '11-20 Djokovic 173
2) '03-12 Federer 142
3) '80-89 Lendl 133
4) '05-14 Nadal 125
5) '73-82 Connors 111
6) '68-77 Laver 110
7) '72-81 Borg / '90-99 Sampras 108
9) '85-94 Becker 100
10 '78-87 McEnroe 99
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Djokovic also has the >est win %.
- vs top 5:
1) '11-20 Djokovic 83 (72.2%)
2) '81-90 Lendl 79 (65.3%)
3) '03-12 Federer 70 (63.1%)
4) '05-14 Nadal 64 (64.0%)
5) '72-81 Borg 58 (71.6%) / '78-87 McEnroe 58 (57.4%)
7) '85-94 Becker 57 (64.0%)
8) '68-77 Laver 55 (68.7%) / '90-99 Sampras 55 (67.1%)
10 '73-82 Connors 48 (57.8%) / '07-16 Murray 48 (44.9%)
- vs top 10:
1) '11-20 Djokovic 173 (79.0%)
2) '03-12 Federer 142 (70.6%)
3) '80-89 Lendl 133 (66.2%)
4) '05-14 Nadal 125 (68.7%)
5) '73-82 Connors 111 (68.5%)
6) '68-77 Laver 110 (69.2%)
7) '72-81 Borg 108 (71.5%) / '90-99 Sampras 108 (67.1%)
9) '85-94 Becker 100 (67.6%)
10 '78-87 McEnroe 99 (61.5%)***
***...Isn't there a $$ fine for skipping majors?***
ReplyDeleteMost players don't skip the majors unless injured! There's a lot of $$ just getting into the draw! The only X I can think of dissension playing a major had to do w/ the seeding of top players! At Wimbl. they went a lit'l overboard altering seeds of clay specialists (Spanish players) yrs ago, dropping them out of the top 10! Then there were the 2 instances @ the USO w/ controversy & some type of shady dealings forcing them to re-draw the event for the men! I can't remember any fines = if the player left for spite or to make pt., most of the X they just fain an injury to avoid a lot of ??'s as to why they didn't play!
***The outrage about RG is expected since they just switched to a 96-player draw (w/ byes in the 1st Rd., prob.), which would decrease the relative difficulty of the event.***
I hadn't heard that! Change comes so slowly in tennis! I always favored a 1st Rd. bye for top players! What's the adv. of the high ranking if they're put in as much jeopardy as a qualifier who's advanced to the main draw in a major? Back in the day upsets were a lot > common due to surface specialists! Courts are so homogenized now, McEnroe & other players wouldn't have survived this era! The Djokovic exh. is using the NG scoring; 1st to 4, TB @ 3 all, & no-ad scoring! There w/b > upsets when they go to that eventually; esp. vs players like Nadal who typically start slow & need X to warm up! When I played, I never gave my opps the chance, keeping pts short & attacking the net relent<ly! W/ the tech of today, I'd be coming in "@ my own risk" w/ the ball speed now coming off the racket!
This era has been a perfect storm to immortalize these 3 players who've held up remarkably well for over a dec. of excell.! I'm just not sure this'll happen again in the next 30-40 yrs! We've truly witnessed history unlike any other sport from the past; & I've seen a lot of sports! No one's usually that out of reach to match & surpass; = my BULLS of the 90's! We thought Sampras was safe as the GOAT @ 14 majors & his #'s have been obliterated except in holding #1 YE ranking for 6 yrs! I can't imagine Thiem, Sascha, or Medvedev staying @ the top for any real length of X! The same mhb said about Nole, but he was already ahead of the game w/ wins over Fedal in their prime very early on while the NG'rs are still struggling w/ the old guys!
***Big tourn. finals btw Big 3:
-Djokovic 23-14 (62.2%)
- Nadal - 23-21 (52.3%)
- Federer 13-24 (37.8%)
HC:
Djokovic 14-7 (66.7%)
-Federer 9-8 (52.9%)
- Nadal 4-12 (25.0%)
Clay:
-Nadal - 18-6 (75.0%)
-Djokovic 5-7 (41.7%)
-Federer 2-12 (14.3%)
Grass:
-Djokovic 4-0 (100.0%)
- Federer 2-4 (33.3%)
- Nadal - 1-3 (25.0%)***
***Federer & Djokovic had incredibly opposite career archs:
ReplyDelete- Federer 1st 14 slam finals --> 12-2
- Federer last 17 slam finals --> 8-9
- Djokovic 1st 13 slam finals --> 6-7
- Djokovic last 13 slam finals --> 11-2
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Lew Rating for all Slam winners since '03:
--> % of sets (or matches, games, pts) won minus the opponents' avg. ranking.
- ex. = '08 RG Nadal won 100.0% of sets beating players ranked on avg. 17.0 --> 100.0 - 17.0 = 83.0
All Slam winners since '03 ranked from >est to <est:
'08 RG Nadal - 83.0
'07 AO Federer - 82.1
'11 AO Djokovic - 81.6
'17 RG Nadal - 80.6
'17 WI Federer - 79.8
'05 WI Federer - 76.4
'12 RG Nadal - 75.9
'10 UO Nadal - 75.4
'08 AO Djokr/'10 AO Fed - 75.1
'07 RG Nadal - 74.6
'15 RG Wawrinka- 73.3
'16 AO Djokovic - 72.4
'06 WI Federer - 71.8
'13 RG Nadal - 71.6
'15 WI Djokovic - 70.6
'09 UO Del Potro - 69.7
'13 UO Nadal - 69.4
'13 AO Djokovic - 68.7
'06 RG Nadal - 68.5
'11 RG Nadal/'15 UO Djokr - 68.4
'16 RG Djokovic - 68.2
'19 RG Nadal - 67.9
'18 RG Nadal - 67.6
'05 UO Federer - 66.2
'07 WI Federer - 66.0
'03 UO Roddick/'14 RG Nadal - 65.9
'05 RG Nadal - 65.4
'15 AO Djokovic - 65.2
'04 UO Fed/'14 AO Wawr./'14 UO Cilic/'20 AO Djokr - 65.1
'08 WI Nadal - 64.6
'18 WI Djokovic - 64.4
'03 WI Federer - 63.8
'16 WI Murray - 62.5
'10 RG Nadal /'12 UO Murray - 62.2
'18 UO Djokovic - 63.3
'19 AO Djokovic - 63.1
'09 AO Nadal - 62.9
'13 WI Murray - 62.5
'06 UO Federer - 61.9
'09 WI Federer /'12 WI Fed - 61.7
'11 UO Djokovic - 61.2
'07 UO Federer - 60.7
'05 AO Safin - 59.2
'11 WI Djokovic - 59.0
'12 AO Djokovic 57.6
'18 AO Federer - 56.9
'08 UO Federer - 56.7
'04 AO Federer /'19 UO Nadal - 56.5
'14 WI Djokovic - 55.9
'04 WI Federer - 55.1
'04 RG Gaudio - 54.6
'03 RG Ferrero - 54.3
'03 AO Agassi - 52.9
'19 WI Djokovic - 52.6
'10 WI Nadal / 2017 AO Fed - 50.4
'09 RG Federer - 50.2
'16 UO Wawrinka - 44.6
'06 AO Federer - 42.2
'17 UO Nadal - 31.0***
Thx!
Back in '98, Irina was on the cusp of having problems skating! She had a lost season or 2 allowing Maria Butyrskaya to take over the top spot in Russia & to = capture a World Title over Michelle! As for Surya, it was a miracle she was = in Nagano after such a crippling Achilles tendon injury suffered 2 yrs before! W/I wks of surgery, she was back out there, but was never the same! Her 3 Lutz was gone so by the X the Olympics came around, she was down to doing the simplest of combos to stay relevant w/ the 3T/3T! It was something she could do in her sleep & w/ the comp. out there, it kept her in the top 6; the last group of skaters! I can still see in my head Elvis Stojko & his team supporting Surya to get her thru that SP doing "Caravan" IIRC! I thought it amazing she competed fully in the GP doing that SP & LP of "Samson & Delilah!" For the OG's, she swapped out her LP for an oldie, Vivaldi's "Four Seasons!" It was her swan song before going into the pro ranks where she w/b competing vs the likes of K. Witt, O. Baiul, & = T. Harding once or twice when she was allowed to skate!
ReplyDelete***...Not everyone c/b Denise Biellmann or Kristi Yamaguichi.***
Denise? Where'd she come from? I go back to the late 70's w/ Biellmann, but she had a very limited career, eeking out 1 Worlds in '81! Her claim to fame is the spin named after her; = though done 20 yrs earlier by another skater! I felt for her after turning pro needing to perform that contortion again & again as she got older & it couldn't have been easy to get thru!
***I certainly don’t think “Hat Full of Stars” is all Yuka Sato’s pro career amt'd to. ...She kept up her fitness, was good for a few triples, had skating skills to die for, & = won comps including World Pros late in her career. She beat the likes of recently crowned OGM Sarah Hughes & recently crowned World Champ. Irina Slutskaya.***
This reminds me of 2000 GG's where Pros participated instead of Amateurs! The oldsters, still hanging on by threads were Dorothy Hamill & Katarina Witt! Both were approaching Peggy Fleming territory of not = having a double Axil! The next tier was Nancy Kerrigan & Oksana Baiul! Rounding out the field of stars was Yuka Sato & Surya Bonaly! There were few surprises along the way, but some very entertaining skating! I think Witt actually kissed the ice b/c she completed her last 3T that night! Hamill just gave you spins, spirals, m/b an axil, w/ that str. back! After the SP, they lagged behind the jumpers! Kerrigan was 'meh' & looked as if she arrived late to compete while Baiul was surprisingly good & ready! Oksana performed her classic "Dark Swan" SP & for the long a Spanish influence where she actually hit her 3 Lutz w/o the help of a 2nd foot! It was the only X she ever completed that jump perfectly going back to when she won the Olympics & Worlds! They showed Kerrigan's mouth going agape! Unfortunately OB couldn't keep it going, lost concentration & doubled her Salchow! If she had left it alone she would've placed above Nancy, but her ego wouldn't allow it so she made another pass w/ the music already done & fell on a 2 Axil! Idiot!
From there you knew it was going to come down to Surya & Yuka! Yuka did her usual good job using "HOS," which is what some consider her career had come down to! lol! Surya came out a lit'l shaky if IIRC singling her Axil @ the start of her program from Emma Shapplin's, "Cour Senza Sangue!" ...It finally caught up to Sato using that same ol' chestnut of "Hat Full Of Stars" & she went DOWN to Bonaly = though not skating her best! It could've been >er, but I'll take it & so could she!
***...He pretended t/b a friend of hers.***
ReplyDeletePretended? WTF? This is what women do! They talk a good game about being faithful, loyal & all, but when it comes down to it, they're as likely to fk around w/ a bestie's beau! It's all been BS for as long as I can recall; a sisterhood? GTFO of here! They backstab each other for men, jobs, or just for kicks all the X! This mythology was epitomized when women put Trump in office over Hillary! They knew this guy was scum, but they couldn't bring themselves to vote for one of their own = though the most qualified in the history of this country! I have no words; my hand actually shakes how treacherous & stupid women c/b to each other!
***You should do an extended blog post about this- this is actually good stuff.***
A couple reunions ago they asked the ladies of NY & only the super liberals admitted to supporting Hillary; Dorinda, Carole, & m/b Bethenny! The obvious cons. who know Trump personally wimped out & took the 5th; Ramona, LuAnne, & Sonya!
***I had forgotten about that.***
They depend on us forgetting such things! I'm old, but have a hateful memory that recalls the BS! If someone's a liar or hypocrite, I can come up w/ something in a flash! US history the most sordid when constantly talking about being great! How great can we be these days w/ other world leaders laughing @ Trump who propagates White Nationalist tripe? He has so much contempt for minorities; esp. the women, he can't = hide his disgust! He was so condescending to this black woman @ one of those useless meetings today to discuss racism in America! He wasn't listening; just going thru the motions of appearing concerned!
***I think much of America is desperate to get rid of Donald Trumpet.***
The country got what they wanted! This is just buyer's remorse! We got exactly what was expected; an a-hole leader to intimidate & instill fear in other countries, preserve the status quo w/ obnoxiously cons. judges, and to just frustrate liberals to no end = if it meant bringing the country to it's fk'n knees! People don't realize what they've done! Our country is tainted for all X; esp. with how he has been able to undermine every institution we hold dear! The Exec. Branch is a total joke! The Legis. lost all credibility when they stole a SC seat! The SC lost it's way decades ago when they voted "having a sitting president sued over BS shouldn't be an inconvenience!" Of course Reps don't want to investigate Trump during or after his tenure, but love going after Clinton & Obama to this day! I have no words of contempt I have for people who think > about politics > their country! "Good luck to you young 'uns!"
***You neglected to mention just what it was Trump ever did in the 1st place. The country indeed got what it wanted, yet there are those that shun it. Turn face & only..."***
Delude yourself all you like! That's all you have to hold onto I guess! The victimization is just an extension of the Rep. party! They must really have a serious inferiority complex! They've been acting so defective of late, it's well deserved!
***...I'm not a fan of the Dem. party as it is now. Nor am I a big fan of the Reps. But I'll vote for Trump any day over Joe Biden. ...At this pt. it's a moot & waisted argument. Like I said, let bygones be bygones. To each their own.***
Cool, "defective" it is! Good luck w/ your choice! I'm old & couldn't really GAF any>! I'm tired of trying to educate Neanderthals! We're not getting smarter here in the good ol' USA! All this new tech & we're still as bigoted, narrow-minded, predictable, & dumb as a bag of fk'n hair! Of course being a woman would explain it a lit'l >! They're = > screwed up > men! It's like a rape victim inviting them back for Xmas dinner! We did worse & the world's paying for it! I tip my hat to all of you!
***No, it's not much of America who loves 'the rump.' It's the STUPIDS who love the beady-eyed weasel.***
ReplyDeleteWhat explains obvious malfeasance? I keep wondering what does this man have to do or say for the tide to turn? ...how do people overlook Dr. Trump taking our lives into his hands when he ignored an imminent pandemic, then makes simplistic diagnosis & remedy of flushing our system w/ Lysol? I have no words! I can't = speak to his supporters!
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The country got what they wanted! ...preserve the status quo w/ obnoxiously cons. judges, & to just frustrate liberals to no end = if it meant bringing the country to it's fk'n knees!
***...Judges not so cons.! They failed big w/ Gorsuch. Gorsuch is now in the toilet & a failure to them. So Trump has failed on judges now. They are so angry & hate Gorsuch. Lol. Trump can’t mention him any>. Bolton has TV interview soon on ABC.***
Small victories to deflect from what's going on behind the scenes w/ civil rights being challenged by cons. all the X! Voting has become something that's become a chore; esp. in the South! Striking down that provision to monitor & keep those a-holes in check when it comes to poor & minority voters in Red States is so obscenely blatant! They don't seem to = GAF that they're doing these things in broad daylight & the populous has become so numb they don't = react to it any>! The last couple cop murders has taken up a lot of the news so heaven knows what Trump & his minions are perpetrating on the country!
***Two yrs after the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, there were people in remote parts of the country that remained enslaved. On June 19, 1865, an order was issued in TX officially liberating some of the last people who're still not free. June 19, or Juneteenth, is now considered an anniv. that marks the moment when emancipation finally liberated families & people in the deepest parts of the former Confederacy.***
...Some obviously have trouble in their interpretive skills! They're just following a very dysfunctional individual! They're ready to risk & m/b throw their lives away to go to a rally in AZ tmrw! They're = sick enough to sign a waiver to indemnify Trump vs lawsuits if they all come down w/ Corvid-19! What can you do w/ people like that? Convincing them of their folly just isn't in the cards!
***When Trump gets desperate & angry over bad news press, that’s when he always goes full blown radical right-winger conspiracy theory. He tries to change the topic of the day so everyone stops laughing @ him.***
Stop laughing? Just showing up makes him the butt of jokes! He's a clown!
***It m/b WAR X. Any bets on Trump bombing Venezuela? - Can we really put it past him? We’re about to find just what he'll do to stay in power. He knows what’s going to happen to him & his family when he's no longer president. Desp. can lead people to panic & do crazy things.***
Reagan did The Falklands! Trump has to go BIG'r! I'm SMH to think this a-hole could start WW3 thinking it to save his election! He doesn't want the job, but he has it now & the whole world's watching! He so wants to outdo Obama; losing in Nov. would put him hopelessly behind for all X! There w/b no way to spin it in his biography! So far his results suck & he knows it!
***Unfortunately people follow him b/c they feel it's disrespectful to not follow the president.***
Disrespectful? You're kidding? Why is there this double standard? When a Rep. is in office we're supposed to kiss their ass, but a Dem c/b investigated over BS, called every name in the book including unpatriotic, God<, & = an "affirmative action pres.!" A sitting Rep. in Congress shouted out "you LIE" @ a SOTU! FK all scumbag, hypocritical Reps! They can suck it from now until the end of X! They can never wipe the stain of their abysmal behavior these last 2 decades!
***Fedal have most of the top performances:
ReplyDelete'08 RG Nadal - 83.0
'07 AO Fed - 82.1
'11 AO Djokr - 81.6
'17 RG Nadal - 80.6
'17 WI Fed - 79.8
'05 WI Fed - 76.4
'12 RG Nadal - 75.9
'10 UO Nadal - 75.4
- 4 by Nadal, 3 by Fed, 1 by Djokr.
But also > of the anyone during his "Prime" yrs:
- Fed/Roddick: 21-3
Since Roger played such great comp. to rack up slams, my simple ?? is: why was such a great competitor as Roddick unable to defeat Fed > 3 X's over 11 yrs?
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Let's be honest, how many people think that Sampras would've won all of those Wimbl. titles going up vs prime Fed?
-'06 Fed was the most dom. season ever IMO w/ Mac '84 season coming in 2nd.
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It's widely accepted Fed's prime is late '03 to early '10.
- In that per. Fed & Roddick met 16 X's.
In the same per. Fed & Nadal met 20 X's (11 on clay), w/ H2H going 7-13.
- Who's Fed's main rival again?
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Simple, he was too good. I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again '04-07 Fed was something else. He literally made his entire gen. negligible b/c he was too good. Those yrs of Fed are up there w/ '11 Djokr, '10 Nadal, & '15-early '16 Djokr, prob. >er =. From '04 AO-'07 USO, there were a possible 16 slams to win. Fed won 11. That should say a lot.
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A. Roddick was a one-dimensional ball basher. He didn't have the skill to dom. any era, & Fed showed him that tennis is about > just power. Hewitt, the 2nd->est rival in his gen., had the beginnings of an ATG career, but his game was only eff. in an era of S & V'rs. Once Fed started outdueling him from the baseline, it was game over. M/b it wasn't quite the weak era that people like to label it as, but it wasn't the strongest either - @ least matchup-wise, his rivals had nothing on him.
B. Fed was just that good. No one in tennis history has dom. tennis so thoroughly & for such a long duration as Fed in his prime. He was about as close to consistently unbeatable (outside of clay, of course) as you could get. He would've dom. just about anyone in that per. not named Rafa.***
Thx!
***The '85 USO was a snooze. This match marked the end of McEnroe winning slams. This was the 1st X I felt that McEnroe was the underdog to Lendl, = though he was world #1 heading into that match.***
ReplyDeleteI loved that match! I can't recall McEnroe being the underdog = though he rolled around on the grass @ Wimbl. like a drugged out dog while being upset by Curren 2 months before! McEnroe started out hot in the final & was up a brk before it turned around! John was up 5-2, then serving for 1st set @ 5-3 before being broken, dropping the TB! McEnroe was systematically run off the court by Ivan in str. sets!
***You are right. McEnroe was still the fave. But as a fan, I was very worried. Lendl had clearly upped his game w/ his new diet. At the end of '84, Lendl complained that he was running out of steam late in matches. ...He went on a diet & that fixed his endurance problems by a long shot. He became > fit & a >er player.
...Here's an interseting stat about Lendl in 5-setters. Prior to his diet, he was 9-9 in 5 set'rs(til '85). After that, he went 23-11.
A similar deal's going on now. I like Fed a lot, but I feel like Djoker is going to pass him up. Djoker also fixed his diet('11). This feels like deja vu all over again.
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Given the hype & build up, Halep over Serena's @ Wimbl. was an all X pathetic disgrace.***
Serena's been an inexplicable mess & disgrace in Slam finals the last 2 yrs! She needs a fave pigeon t/b waiting for her; VENUS or Aza! ;-)
***What? This match (Halep/Wms) was absolutely fantastic to watch! Can’t wait for the USO this yr.***
Speaking > of her overall results of late & how shockingly easy some of her defeats were; esp. vs Halep on grass @ Wimbl.! I didn't think she'd be able to hit the ball hard enough to make a dent in Serena's defenses! I can't recall much, but it was a quick 2 set'r! I haven't been > into women's tennis since the retirements of Hingis & Henin!
***Wimbl. '90 Navratilova - Garrison. That was Coffee Tennis.***
M/b the inevitable result was a snooze since it wasn't in ??, but when I think of wasted finals I instantly go to '75 & '83! Evonne was "done" from previous match vs Court in the SF & mentally wasn't in the final! Martina overwhelmed a mentally spent Jaeger; > an issue due to an abusive father over an op. working her nerves! IDK how Andrea = went out to play that match running away from her crazy father! She may have = stayed w/ Martina & her entourage the night before! Interesting enough Martina had another survivor playing vs her in '90! Found out later Zina's husband was an abusive jerk!
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In a lot of ways I'm still getting over that match; both physically & mentally! It was one of those rare occasions I turned the match on early; 1 AM here in Chgo! As long as some of their matches in the past, I saw it being short thinking Nole would serve it out in the 4th! Somehow I watched & taped every moment, unable to get to bed until well after 9 AM! I still feel it! I was legit. awake for over 24 hrs & may never really recover fully!
***...Indeed! I think '19 AO was the worst GS final that Nadal has played alongside his '14 performance vs Wawrinka.***
Well it's all relative! IMO, j/b a score's out of whack doesn't mean it wasn't a good match where one opp. was "in the zone" & didn't allow a contest! I love that match; nothing like a good ass-kickin' when both are playing well, but one has the golden touch! People can't say Rafa wasn't playing well since I distinctly recall announcers making a big deal out of how he held serve for over 60 X's in a row!
***...Doesn't speak well about the rest of the guys on tour.***
ReplyDeleteIt still doesn't; esp. when they allow "Methuselah" to wade thru them like traffic cones during a driver's test! ...The BIG 3 have been the same for well over a dec. & the NG aren't making me hopeful! ...All kinds of ability, but they can't = beat each other consistently, much < Fedalovic!
***For fun, here’s a full list for Fedal poss. if Nole out.
- AO '08: Fed m/b able to take this. He had mono, but then again it’s Tsonga in the final. 60/40.
- USO '10: 20/80 Fed. Nadal was too good.
- AO '11: 80/20 Fed. Can’t see him losing to Murray.
- USO '11: 50/50. Fed surely put up the much > fight vs Djokr.
- RG '12: 5/95. Nadal would have mowed him down in strs.
- W '14: 90/10. IDK who Djokovic played in SF, but to d. Fed?
- W '15: 95/5. Gasquet in the final? lmao.
- USO '15: 90/10. It’s Cilic. Hard for Fed to lose here.
- AO '16: 70/30. I think he’d have beaten Murray.
- W '19: 95/5. If Fed ever lost a Slam final to RBA, I'd prob. die.
That’s about 7 > Slams for Fed, m/b 8. The comp. after '13 w/o Djokovic w/b completely in shambles. Now w/ Nadal.
- W '11: 70/30. Tsonga could play a > match & beat him, but unlikely.
- USO '11: 50/50 after Fed's tough SF if he d. Nole.
- AO '12: 75/25. Murray played well in the semis, but Nadal would beat him.
- RG '15: 40/60. Can’t see him beating Murray+Stanimal given how poorly he played at this event. Since it’s Nadal, though, I’ll be generous.
- W '18: 90/10. He'll never lose to Anderson.
- AO '19: 90/10. As poorly as Nadal played, he’d be going up vs Pouille. This w/b the easiest AO draw of all X, w/o a doubt.
Nadal gets 3 > Slams, m/b a 4th.***
I still have > respect & reverence for Djokovic since he's always had to go thru Fedal to win his majors while Roger & Rafa have had their pigeons waiting many of those event finals! Fedal are the perceived GOATs & fan faves, but Djokovic has had it >er &'s been just as successful, if not > where he's set recs Fedal will never touch!
***Nadal's playing style has led to all the injuries as well as his triumphs though. So you can't have one w/o the other; rightfully on 19 slams. He may end up w/ the rec., but let's not pretend he deserves to have many > slams than he does in reality.***
Thank you! If Nadal had had a lit'l bit > of a brain w/ >er advisors, he m/b well ahead of Fedovic, but for his penchant to hang back near the back-stop w/ linesmen & ball-kids! He has to work so hard to beat "everybody;" = players outside the top 100 b/c of it! Playing that silly, defensive game is just so fk'n boring un< Nole is "working" him to death; ala '19 AO Chp.! That was hilarious after comments about him holding serve 60+ str. X's so the fans can't say he was injured or not playing well! Nole was "in the zone" & kicked Rafa's ass! I can watch it over and over again!
***Nadal played in the USO '11 final way below his standards b/c he was afraid of Djokovic @ that pt. Vs Fed, the story whb very diff. The Spaniard would've arrived confident if his rival had been the Swiss who, although he played that tourn. @ an excellent level, he was no longer the same dominator of the USO ('04-08), so he was already a beatable player.***
Fortunately for us all & the rec. bks of the game, Nole was having his 1st career yr. taking 3 majors & 5 Masters stopping the Fedal run going on since '05! Djokovic singlehandedly saved Federer's legacy for the X being since Nadal had been on a "real run" of his own from '10! Remember, it wasn't as much fear that defeated him in all those finals in '11, Djokovic legitimately beat Rafa; = on clay in str. sets! Heaven knows what mhb if not for Nole that season!